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Stations $525.5K Point Challenge - Mini Challlenge 1

#1

This is all correct, but assumes that the points were earned on a single
point day. If you were going to compete in this challenge, wouldn't you play on
the highest possible multipoint day? Only single points count towards the
Challenge, but the "extra" points you would earn on a multiplier have lots of
value too! And of course, all this play would earn the highest level mailer for
three months, plus high-level discretionary comps.

BTW, even on $25 single line VP, one would have to average 1074 hands per
hour for a full 24 hours to
earn this number of single points, which is almost impossible. I would have
to guess they were earned on at least $5 10-play, or a similar platform where
the bet per push is $250 or higher.

Brian

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In a message dated 2/8/2008 3:59:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, dds6@cox.net
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The 3,223,327 points earned also has some value...such as getting
$3,223 in travel with Prestige Travel Agency...which would push the EV
into positive territory.

Or if the winner is a big eater, the points earned translates into
$5,372.21 in food comps. :slight_smile:

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#2

BTW, even on $25 single line VP, one would have to average 1074

hands per

hour for a full 24 hours to
earn this number of single points, which is almost impossible. I

would have

That's far from impossible, although it is excruciating and more than a
little masochistic. I've had a few sessions where I averaged 1800+
hands per hour for over 24 hours. Of course that means no food breaks
and not even drinking at the machine (so you don't have to go to the
bathroom). But if I can do it, that means plenty of others can as well.

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#3

the only way 1800 hands per hour is possible is by using a feature
called auto-hold and never correcting the mistakes that it
makes.
                                                                        

That's far from impossible, although it is excruciating and more than

a

little masochistic. I've had a few sessions where I averaged 1800+
hands per hour for over 24 hours. Of course that means no food

breaks

and not even drinking at the machine (so you don't have to go to the
bathroom). But if I can do it, that means plenty of others can as

well.

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#4

This is all correct, but assumes that the points were earned on a

single

point day. If you were going to compete in this challenge, wouldn't

you play on

the highest possible multipoint day? Only single points count

towards the

Challenge, but the "extra" points you would earn on a multiplier

have lots of

value too! And of course, all this play would earn the highest level

mailer for

three months, plus high-level discretionary comps.

Or, you can play on the last day, so you know exactly what you have to
get to win the first stage. Playing for multiple points makes some
sense if you don't have, say $10K, in comps already in your account.

BTW, I have it on very good authority that the winner did not play at
either Red Rock or GVR. The other thing is, many of you really don't
know what's out there. There's a lot of money in Vegas, and there are
some unskilled players who are capable of putting millions, and in a
couple of cases, tens of millions through the machine.

I've also heard that there may be some monkey business going on with
one of the cumulative leaders. It's plausible. Yes, that's all I'm
saying about it-for now.

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#5

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"
<paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

>
>
> This is all correct, but assumes that the points were earned on a
single
> point day. If you were going to compete in this challenge,

wouldn't

you play on
> the highest possible multipoint day? Only single points count
towards the
> Challenge, but the "extra" points you would earn on a multiplier
have lots of
> value too! And of course, all this play would earn the highest

level

mailer for
> three months, plus high-level discretionary comps.

Or, you can play on the last day, so you know exactly what you have

to

get to win the first stage. Playing for multiple points makes some
sense if you don't have, say $10K, in comps already in your

account.

BTW, I have it on very good authority that the winner did not play

at

either Red Rock or GVR. The other thing is, many of you really don't
know what's out there. There's a lot of money in Vegas, and there

are

some unskilled players who are capable of putting millions, and in a
couple of cases, tens of millions through the machine.

I've also heard that there may be some monkey business going on with
one of the cumulative leaders. It's plausible. Yes, that's all I'm
saying about it-for now.

Hadn't really considered doing this in a day, as 25K hands on a $25
machine seems to be a lot, even with a recorder so you don't wait for
W2Gs.

A day does seem possible if you were playing the 3 coin $100 8/5 BP
machine at Red Rock which would only require 10745 hands. Still a
lot, but doable with a recorder.

Of course Paladin says it wasn't done at RR or GVR, so that leaves
either Palace or Sunset. I think they only have $25 machines, so
that puts the hand count back at over 25,000. As everyone says, this
is tough, tough, tough to do in only a day.

So, I guess we'll have to wait for Paladin to clue us in on the rest
of the story.

Bill

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bjaygold@ wrote:

#6

I have it on good authority that Stations was letting more than one
person play on the same card. To me, this creates a 'rigged" promotion
for which stations should be penalized.

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BTW, I have it on very good authority that the winner did not play at
either Red Rock or GVR. The other thing is, many of you really don't
know what's out there. There's a lot of money in Vegas, and there are
some unskilled players who are capable of putting millions, and in a
couple of cases, tens of millions through the machine.

I've also heard that there may be some monkey business going on with
one of the cumulative leaders. It's plausible. Yes, that's all I'm
saying about it-for now.

#7

That's far from impossible, although it is excruciating and more than

a

little masochistic. I've had a few sessions where I averaged 1800+
hands per hour for over 24 hours. Of course that means no food

breaks

and not even drinking at the machine (so you don't have to go to the
bathroom). But if I can do it, that means plenty of others can as

well.

1800+ hands per hour puts you at one hand every half-second. Even on
the fastest possible play mode, you're approaching the limits of any of
the machines I've ever even played on. Even if the deal itself takes a
fifth of a second, and the draw takes a fifth of a second, you're
talking a tenth of a second to make an actual decision and press the
buttons.

Nope.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "pokegimp" <wincerwj@...> wrote:

#8

One hand every half second would be 7200 hands per hour.

Driving that train, high on cocaine,
Casey Jones YOU BETTER, watch your speed.
Trouble ahead, trouble behind,
And you know that notion just crossed my mind.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Will" <will@...> wrote:

1800+ hands per hour puts you at one hand every half-second.

#9

One day I may start writing again, and institute Paladin's rules.
There are many contenders for Rule #1, but one of them would surely
be, "Dude, it's a casino. Wherever you see money flying around, there
will be people trying to grab it, (with apologies to Patrick
MacGoohan) by hook or by crook."

I'm not interested in discussing the particulars at this time, but I
promise you there will be a discussion here when the time is
appopriate.

While this doesn't apply to LV, do y'all think you can edit yourself
before you inventory a machine or machines here which is an obvious
mistake? We'll talk about that one, too, after that play is over,
which it will be soon, thanks to VPFree.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bdhabm" <bdhabm@...> wrote:

I have it on good authority that Stations was letting more than one
person play on the same card. To me, this creates a 'rigged" promotion
for which stations should be penalized.
>
> BTW, I have it on very good authority that the winner did not play at
> either Red Rock or GVR. The other thing is, many of you really don't
> know what's out there. There's a lot of money in Vegas, and there are
> some unskilled players who are capable of putting millions, and in a
> couple of cases, tens of millions through the machine.
>
> I've also heard that there may be some monkey business going on with
> one of the cumulative leaders. It's plausible. Yes, that's all I'm
> saying about it-for now.

#10

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"
<paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

...do y'all think you can edit yourself
before you inventory a machine or machines here which is an obvious
mistake? We'll talk about that one, too, after that play is over,
which it will be soon, thanks to VPFree.

Although Paladin is talking about a specific play, I thought I'd jump
in and contribute to the general topic.

I've enjoyed discovering some casino mistakes here on vpFREE, and I
posted one that I discovered myself some time back. After an email
conversation with Paladin and a couple of others I've changed my
thinking about openly reporting good plays that are "obviously casino
mistakes".

I no longer report them. I either keep them to myself, or share them
with a limited number of people who are like-minded.

Why? Because I started thinking about who I'm HELPING and who I'm
HURTING. If I reveal the mistake I help only a very few people who
will use my information. Some of these may be the kind to burn out a
good play. Revealing it also helps the casino. On the other hand,
it potentially hurts everyone who already did the work to find the
mistake in the first place. On the balance, I have to think that
holding the information does more good and less harm.

Mac
www.CasinoCamper.com

#11

<< I've also heard that there may be some monkey business going on with one of the cumulative leaders>>

I am assuming the casino could easily tell if more than one person was playing on the same card???

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#12

I too came to the same conclusion. We normally will share the
mistakes or good plays with friends. If we are in town and know we
won't be back for awhile, we will tell them after we leave. That
gives them the opportunity to play. We have found several good ones
that would have been burned out within 24 hours if we had posted
them.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mac McClellan" <mac_mcclellan@...>
wrote:

Although Paladin is talking about a specific play, I thought I'd

jump

in and contribute to the general topic.

I've enjoyed discovering some casino mistakes here on vpFREE, and I
posted one that I discovered myself some time back. After an email
conversation with Paladin and a couple of others I've changed my
thinking about openly reporting good plays that are "obviously

casino

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mistakes".

I no longer report them. I either keep them to myself, or share them
with a limited number of people who are like-minded.

Why? Because I started thinking about who I'm HELPING and who I'm
HURTING. If I reveal the mistake I help only a very few people who
will use my information. Some of these may be the kind to burn out a
good play. Revealing it also helps the casino. On the other hand,
it potentially hurts everyone who already did the work to find the
mistake in the first place. On the balance, I have to think that
holding the information does more good and less harm.

Mac
www.CasinoCamper.com

#13

<< I've also heard that there may be some monkey business going on

with one

of the cumulative leaders>>

I am assuming the casino could easily tell if more than one person

was

playing on the same card???
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Anyone that has played Stations tourneys for several years would
recognize the top players card numbers. If you read the rules,
multiple persons can play on one card for this promo.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:

#14

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "centralpark2468" <centralpark2468@...>
wrote:

Anyone that has played Stations tourneys for several years would
recognize the top players card numbers. If you read the rules,
multiple persons can play on one card for this promo.

Here are the rules: http://www.stationcasinos.com/challenge/rules.php

Please show me where in the rules multiple players can play on the
same account?

#15

I would venture to ask the question of would the casino even care?
Speaking hypothetically...

Let's say you do have a team playing on the same account. The casino
is doing this promotion to encourage more coin-in. Whether they are
seeing this increase from one person or spread among several, they are
still accomplishing their goal. Even if the individuals in the group
isn't playing any more than they were doing previously, the fact that
their play is being combined is creating a coin-in amount that will
cause others to play more to compete. So again the casino sees a jump
in coin-in which was the whole purpose. They are paying out the same
amount in prizes whether it is to legitimate individuals or teams, so I
really think that a casino doesn't have much incentive to care about
whether multiple people are playing on the same account.

Of course this changes if people start to find out about it and their
is a public outlash in people feeling that the casino isn't doing all
they can to keep the contest "fair." Then I can see there being a
negative in allowing this to happen. But at least initially, I could
see a casino allowing it thinking that it wouldn't get out. Basically
they figure that any team wouldn't want to tell people what they are
doing for obvious reasons, and if the casino isn't telling, it
shouldn't be all that easy for an outsider to know what the team is
doing. So the casino is happy; the team is happy. Now in a situation
like this where people are starting to catch ear, the casino always has
plausible deniability. "We weren't aware it was happening, but now
that we know people are trying to cheat in this way we can assure you
that we will monitor for this." I just really don't think that a
casino would be motivated to really care if it was happening--at least
until it gets caught. After that, the public would hold them more
accountable to prevent this if it had been known to happen before.

Obviously, I'm not saying that this is what was going on, just
imaginative speculation on what could conceivably happen.

<< I've also heard that there may be some monkey business going on

with one

of the cumulative leaders>>

I am assuming the casino could easily tell if more than one person

was

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:

playing on the same card???
________________
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#16

Going to Tunica on Saturday-staying at Sam's Town...anyone been to Tunica recently, noticed anything new or any changes/games/paytables/etc? I noticed some of the casino's info haven't been updated in awhile. I will check them out and post upon return...

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#17

Jean they do know or atleast I have been told by them that they know
that the cumulative leader has multi players on one card. They put on
8.1 m in one day and won challange 2. I would think that it would be
highly unlikely that one person could put on that kind of coin in.

<< I've also heard that there may be some monkey business going on

with one

of the cumulative leaders>>

I am assuming the casino could easily tell if more than one person

was

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:

playing on the same card???
________________
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