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Stations 100 cars in May promo - multiline games?

#1

Nate wrote - I've seen a lot of people playing $1 3/5 line games when
the meter is high on this promo. The rules don't say anything about
that mattering, can someone enlighten me on the strategy?

Stations answered some questions about this on their website. They
said that the winner is chosen randomly and any machine can win. And
we do not have to be playing a high limit machine or even be playing
max bet to win.

https://www.stationcasinosblog.com/2017/04/100-cars-in-may-giveaway-six-things-you-need-to-know/

#2

The meter rises as a percentage of coin in for a particular casino. The more you bet, the more likely you are to be the one who triggers the jackpot. In other words, the winner is chosen randomly but weighted by the amount bet.

As an aside, the meters have slowed significantly in the past 2 days. A quarter of the cars (25 out of 100) were given away in the first few days. I’d estimate the meters are running 4 times slower than when the promo first started.

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Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Stations 100 cars in May promo - multiline games?

Nate wrote - I’ve seen a lot of people playing $1 3/5 line games when

the meter is high on this promo. The rules don’t say anything about

that mattering, can someone enlighten me on the strategy?

Stations answered some questions about this on their website. They

said that the winner is chosen randomly and any machine can win. And

we do not have to be playing a high limit machine or even be playing

max bet to win.

https://www.stationcasinosblog.com/2017/04/100-cars-in-may-giveaway-six-things-you-need-to-know/

#3

Oh ok. So for example it’s set to be triggered at $24,147. If the
hand you just played gets it there, you’ll be the winner?

  Also how would I have found out that's how it works. It's not

mentioned in the rules anywhere that I saw.

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On 5/8/2017 5:29 PM,
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              The meter

rises as a percentage of coin in for a particular
casino. The more you bet, the more likely you are to
be the one who triggers the jackpot. In other words,
the winner is chosen randomly but weighted by the
amount bet.

              As an aside,

the meters have slowed significantly in the past 2
days. A quarter of the cars (25 out of 100) were
given away in the first few days. I’d estimate the
meters are running 4 times slower than when the promo
first started.

From:
“Oblah Dah [vpFREE]”
Monday, May 8, 2017 4:13 PM
[vpFREE] Re: Stations 100 cars in May promo -
multiline games?

                              Nate

wrote - I’ve seen a lot of people
playing $1 3/5 line games when

                              the meter is high on this promo. The

rules don’t say anything about

                              that mattering, can someone enlighten

me on the strategy?

                              Stations answered some questions about

this on their website. They

                              said that the winner is chosen

randomly and any machine can win. And

                              we do not have to be playing a high

limit machine or even be playing

                              max bet to win.

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Subject:
https://www.stationcasinosblog.com/2017/04/100-cars-in-may-giveaway-six-things-you-need-to-know/

#4

Nate, the technical name for this kind of system is called Mystery Progressive. MP’s come in both stand alone and linked machines. In the case of Stations it is an extreme example of linked machines because all the machines in the casino are linked together on the progressive.

MP’s come in a myriad of configurations but the most common MP’s you see today are stand alones with one meter starting at $25 and must hit by $50, and another meter starting at $250 and must hit by $500.

This is my take on how they work which I developed the first time I encountered MP’s…which was at the Mandalay Bay opening. Those banks of machines were billed as the “Lucky Coin Bonus System” and just the name alone was a big clue to me. To me “Lucky Coin” meant you didn’t have to hit a line pay you just had to bet the coin number that would trigger the progressive.

So this is just a simple example of how I think they work. It’s a stand alone penny machine, the meter resets to $9 and must hit by $10. The coin-in meter runs at 1% so $1 in action moves the meter up a penny. You are betting $1 per spin. At the $9 reset an RNG randomly selects coin number 476.

When you are betting $1 you are betting a block of 100 pennies.

You make the spin and the MP is not awarded because the lucky coin is not in the block of coins from 1 to 100. The meter moves up to $9.01.

You make another spin, the MP is not awarded because the lucky coin is not in the block of coins numbered from 101 to 200. The meter moves up to $9.02.

You make another spin and the MP is not awarded because the lucky coin number is not in the block of coins from 301 to 400. The meter moves up to $9.03.

On the next spin you are betting coin numbers 401 through 500 and the MP is awarded because coin number 476 is in that block of coins.

More on this later…I have things to do today.

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#5

Okay, back to the penny machine with the MP that starts at $9 and must hit by $10. It doesn’t matter if you are betting a block of 100 coins (pennies), a block of ten coins, or betting just one coin at a time, if the RNG has selected coin number 476, then when you get to and bet that coin number you will win the money in the meter.

Through Nevada Gaming Control stats we know that penny slots return anywhere from 86 to 94%, depending on location. But let’s say the machine in our example has a sign on it that says “This machine returns 90% to players.” What else can we tell about the machine?

Clocking the meter is pretty easy. If the meter rises 5 cents for every $5 in action it’s a 1% meter. How much of the payback is represented by the Mystery Progressive and how much of the payback is represented by the line pays?

In the case of the MP, since we know the coin number to trigger the MP is chosen at random, then we add the lower and upper parameters together and divide by two.

$9 + $10 = $19
$19/2 means the average MP awarded is $9.50

How much action does it take to move the meter from $9 to $9.50? It’s pretty easy. Since $1 in action puts a penny in the meter then $50 in action moves the meter to $9.50. So then we take the $9.50 average hit and divide it by $50.

$9.50/$50 = 19%

So we now know that we have a machine where the line pays represent 71% of the payback and the MP represents 19%.

MP’s come in a myriad of games, paybacks, upper and lower parameters for the Mystery Progressives, and meter speeds. If the meter speed in our above example were .5% then it would take 200 coin-in to move the meter one penny. The line pays would represent 80.5% of the payback and the MP 9.5%. And if the meter speed is 400 coin-in to move the meter one penny it would be a .25% meter. Then the line pays would represent 85.5% and the MP 4.25%.

#6

Hey Mickey (or others of course):
I have one from last night: Playing ten-play DDB i get AAAA9 dealt (yay me!), keep the aces obviously, go for the kicker(s)–and get zero…can you tell me the odds of this?

Thanks!

Al

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Okay, back to the penny machine with the MP that starts at $9 and must hit by $10. It doesn’t matter if you are betting a block of 100 coins (pennies), a block of ten coins, or betting just one coin at a time, if the RNG has selected coin number 476, then when you get to and bet that coin number you will win the money in the meter.

Through Nevada Gaming Control stats we know that penny slots return anywhere from 86 to 94%, depending on location. But let’s say the machine in our example has a sign on it that says “This machine returns 90% to players.” What else can we tell about the machine?

Clocking the meter is pretty easy. If the meter rises 5 cents for every $5 in action it’s a 1% meter. How much of the payback is represented by the Mystery Progressive and how much of the payback is represented by the line pays?

In the case of the MP, since we know the coin number to trigger the MP is
chosen at random, then we add the lower and upper parameters together and divide by two.

$9 + $10 = $19

$19/2 means the average MP awarded is $9.50

How much action does it take to move the meter from $9 to $9.50? It’s pretty easy. Since $1 in action puts a penny in the meter then $50 in action moves the meter to $9.50. So then we take the $9.50 average hit and divide it by $50.

$9.50/$50 = 19%

So we now know that we have a machine where the line pays represent 71% of the payback and the MP represents 19%.

MP’s come in a myriad of games, paybacks, upper and lower parameters for the Mystery Progressives, and meter speeds. If the meter speed in our above example were .5% then it would take 200 coin-in to move the meter one penny. The line pays would represent 80.5% of the payback and the MP 9.5%. And if the meter speed is 400 coin-in to move the meter one penny it would be a .25% meter. Then the
line pays would represent 85.5% and the MP 4.25%.

#7

A. Moore, I’m not a degree’d mathematician. I’m just a layman. But I think the answer would be to multiply out the failure rate of each event. So 47 cards remain with just 12 of them being kickers. That means the failure rate for each event is 35/47 or .7142857%.

.7142857 to the tenth power is .0345716
1/.0345716 = 29 slightly rounded

So it looks like it’s a 1 in 29 event.

#8

Permiotti’s comment that 25 cars were given away in the first few days suggests to me that this is a successful promotion for Stations. The objective of the promotion is to raise their average coin-in per day. And 25 cars won in the first few days suggests they were successful in doing so. The retail price of the vehicles involved start in the low $20,000’s. But you can bet that Stations got a better deal than that. So let’s say they have an average investment of $20,000 per vehicle.

The meter involved runs in miles. It starts at 15,000 and caps at 25,000. Adding the upper and lower parameters together then dividing by 2 means the average hit would be 20,000 miles, an increase of 5000 miles. So the big question is how much coin-in would it take to drive the meter up to 20,000 miles. Without inside information we don’t know the answer. All we can do is guess.

Let’s say Stations is willing to give up one-tenth of one percent on the promotion. Twenty-thousand dollars is one tenth of one percent of $200,000,000.

2000,000,000/5000 miles means it would take $40,000 coin-in to move the meter up 1 mile. Every denomination is included in the promotion from pennies up though the high denoms. So the meter is actually counting pennies bet. It would take 4,000,000 pennies bet to move the meter up 1 mile. (40,000 X 100). Each penny bet is eligible to win a vehicle.

A person betting $1 on a penny slot is betting a block of 100 coins (pennies) per spin… A person playing quarter single line video poker would be betting a block of 125 coins per hand. A dollar single line video poker player would be betting a block of 500 coins per hand. And a person playing $5 single line video poker would be betting a block of 2500 coins per hand. This means the promotion favors the higher denom players.