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Standard Deviation of multiple line play---Help please

#21

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
wrote:

Bridging the chasm between the formal mathematical principles of
probablility and statistics and how they should be properly appled
to VP is probably the most important input to VP understanding.
When many of us were in our first year probability and statistics
course, VP machines were not even a "gleam in the eye" of most
manufacturers and casino managers.

I will second that. You have a talent to take statistical principles
and turn them into vp related form. Your publishings on this forum
are extensive. It would sure be good if you could make an ordered
collections of your publishings and yet to be thoughts, along with
explanations that we all can understand. Hopefully you could put it
on a web page.

Then we would probably start quoting you along with Jazbo and
Shackleford

#22

I found this Wizard of Odds page pretty interesting
http://wizardofodds.com/videopoker/vidpokapx6.html

After experiencing some losses on 3/5 play I began wondering how n play
affected ROR bankroll requirements. Previously I had been guessing. The
Wiz did not analyze the game I had been playing, NSUD, but the tables gave
me some ideas.

Chandler

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-----Original Message-----
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com]On Behalf Of
bornloser1537
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:40 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Standard Deviation of multiple line play

So if I play FPDW single line at 25c, I have a std dev of $446. If
I play the same amount of dollars of 5c, five line I have a std dev
of $241.

Agree? If so, then why would I want to play the single line (your
take or any other readers also)?

DWK

That is certainly what the mathematics says. And, intuition seems to
back that up, with the point that, with the nickle 5-line, you are
playing more (i.e., 5 times as many) hands (with the same amount of
money) and thus you are "smoothing out" the highs and lows.

That is why we all try to "average" our VP playing time over our
entire lifetimes. The more hands one plays (with correct strategy, of
coourse) the closer one gets to the theoretical EV.

.....bl

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#23

..... or, write a book and try to make some money with it. I would
certainly buy a copy.

....with lots and lots of examples, worked out in some detail.

....it might even be called "Probablility and Statistics Applied to
VP, for Dummy's".

.....bl

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000"
<deuceswild1000@y...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537"

<bornloser1537@y...>

wrote:

> Bridging the chasm between the formal mathematical principles of
> probablility and statistics and how they should be properly

appled

> to VP is probably the most important input to VP understanding.
> When many of us were in our first year probability and

statistics

> course, VP machines were not even a "gleam in the eye" of most
> manufacturers and casino managers.

I will second that. You have a talent to take statistical

principles

and turn them into vp related form. Your publishings on this

forum

are extensive. It would sure be good if you could make an ordered
collections of your publishings and yet to be thoughts, along with
explanations that we all can understand. Hopefully you could put

it

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on a web page.

Then we would probably start quoting you along with Jazbo and
Shackleford

#24

Has anyone seen VLT VP showing a multiline plays? All
the descriptions I've seen here are of single line
variety.

Mark

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#25

I've been playing at Arizona Indian casinos for about
1 1/2 years since I've read Dancer's books and joined
this group. I have seen no evidence of VLT behavior in
the IGT machines at the casinos I have visited: In
Phoenix, Harrah's Ak-Chin, and all four Tucson
casinos. I prefer the IGT machines, all of my
experience is on those makes of machines. There is a
state gaming commission, since 2003 the Indian casinos
now share their revenues with the state, and the state
is very interested in giving at least the allusion of
fair play. There was an incident in 2000(?)with a
jackpot was disallowed by the casino (non-VP) that
could have killed all play here. Any jackpot over
$10,000 has to be approved by a state offical (on site
at each casino), where they open up the machine and do
some magic. Machines are audited on a "regular" basis,
I've witnessed this myself many times.

All this does not assure "full RNG", but my winnings,
over a million hands, sure look like the EV I
expected.

BTW, is there any NSUD in Phoenix, like we have in
Tucson?

Mark

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#26

Mark Marsh wrote: "There is a
state gaming commission, since 2003 the Indian casinos
now share their revenues with the state, and the state
is very interested in giving at least the allusion of
fair play. There was an incident in 2000(?)with a
jackpot was disallowed by the casino (non-VP) that
could have killed all play here. Any jackpot over
$10,000 has to be approved by a state offical (on site
at each casino), where they open up the machine and do
some magic. Machines are audited on a "regular" basis,
I've witnessed this myself many times."
Are those audits made public?

#27

BTW, is there any NSUD in Phoenix, like we have in
Tucson?

Mark

None that I know of.

Ft McDowell has 25c "Illinois Deuces" at 98.91%
Casino Arizona has 25c "15/10 Double Deuces" at 98.93%

Dennis
vp-connoisseur

#28

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