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Spokane Indian Casinos

I recently visited 3 of the 4 casinos operated by the Spokane Indian
tribe in the eastern part of Washington state. They were the Double
Eagle Casino and Chewelah Casino, near Chewelah, Washington, and the
Two Rivers Casino near Davenport, Washington. All of them,
particularly Two Rivers, are very remote.

These casinos offer "Nevada Style" gambling. This is NOT the Type 3
gaming found at other Washington casinos. Many machines, but not
all, have bill acceptors, and every machine spills coins. There is
no "Players Club" system, but there are drawings, senior discounts,
and assorted other "specials" offered.

Many of the machines I saw are by IGT ... probably the machines you
would see in Nevada 10-15 years ago. Many are the same machines you
see in Nevada today, but older versions, such as Double Diamond and
Wild Cherry slots. I did see a few machines that I believe are
fairly new, but most are quite old.

As far as VP is concerned, well .... pretty bad pay schedules. But I
didn't have time to check them all. If I find something good later I
will mention it. I did play an 8/5 Bonus Poker game (10 cent
denomination!) that had "Arizona Charles" written on the back of the
cards before the deal button is pressed. I also played a Hot Aces
games with a very awkward key placement. The "Max Bet" key was next
to the "Bet 1" key (on the left) and the other keys did not line up
with the cards. Very easy to make a mistake, which I did.

All three casinos have some very interesting slots ... many I've
never seen before. Double Eagle Casino, in particular, has a huge
number of very unusual slots. In a way, this seems to be sort of a
dumping ground for machines Nevada no longer wants. If anyone has a
machine from years ago that they loved, tell me and I'll see if I can
find it. Maybe you can buy it from them.

It would be interesting to know if these machines still have the
same "randomizing" chip they had in Nevada, or if the payoff
percentages were revised. I think the VP is random (based on my
experience playing), but who knows about the slots. Judging from the
situation, my guess is the slots are unchanged. We did very well
playing Keno machines, so I think they were random. We played 4 Keno
sessions and broke even on 1, doubled our stake on the 2nd, tripled
our stake on the 3rd, and ended with 8.3 times our stake on the
4th. We played slots briefly, and they seemed poor, but many people
were playing.

The Chewelah Casino was recently remodeled and very nice, with a good
restaurant. The other two ... well, they seemed pretty "rough" if
you know what I mean.

I recently visited 3 of the 4 casinos operated by the Spokane Indian
tribe in the eastern part of Washington state. They were the Double
Eagle Casino and Chewelah Casino, near Chewelah, Washington, and the
Two Rivers Casino near Davenport, Washington. All of them,
particularly Two Rivers, are very remote.

These casinos offer "Nevada Style" gambling. This is NOT the Type 3
gaming found at other Washington casinos. Many machines, but not
all, have bill acceptors, and every machine spills coins.
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If memory serves, which it usually doesn't, these machines you refer to may
have been smuggled in several years ago.

I live in Spokane and seem to remember the Feds confiscating a few
truckloads of illegal machines now and then. Once they got them to the
reservation they were home free, but could be stopped on their journey.
That may explain their age and playing condition.

Did you go to Northern Quest? I just can't stomach the place - even though
it is relatively new the smoke in there will just chew you up. That is
unless the Type 3 games don't get you first!

I haven't bothered to give the others a try, so I appreciate the report!

SK

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These casinos offer "Nevada Style" gambling. This is NOT the Type 3
gaming found at other Washington casinos.

golden bearpa wrote:
If memory serves, which it usually doesn't, these machines you
refer to may have been smuggled in several years ago.

I live in Spokane and seem to remember the Feds confiscating a few
truckloads of illegal machines now and then. Once they got them to
the reservation they were home free, but could be stopped on their
journey.
That may explain their age and playing condition.

Did you go to Northern Quest? I just can't stomach the place - even
though it is relatively new the smoke in there will just chew you
up. That is unless the Type 3 games don't get you first!

Just to clarify a couple of things a bit. Type II gaming refers to
machines driven by centrally located bingo-simulating processors. The
Type III category is an "anything goes" catch all which encompasses
any gaming that isn't characterized as Type III. This includes all
"Nevada Style" gaming, including familiar table games such as craps as
well as slots or vp with stand alone processors.

However, there's nothing in that definition that requires these games
to actually operate in the random style that the machines in Nevada
are required to -- in other words, a vp machine in a casino approved
under state compacts for Type III gaming can still operate under
algorithms that produce an ER far less than the paytable would suggest.

That's why in any tribal casino the player is playing at their own
risk. However, if you're playing a machine manufactured by an
industry standard vendor, such as IGT, it's a strong bet the machine
is fair. I'd definitely avoid any non-standard make however.

And even when it comes to IGT, they're looking to aggressively expand
in tribal gaming, under their nameplate or the recently acquired SGT.
The door is wide open for them to offer non-standard algorithms, with
uncertainty as to how such machines (including vp) would be identified).

At any rate, the confiscations noted above relate to casinos that were
operating strictly under the federal NIGC permissions allowing only
Type II gaming and who hadn't entered into state compacts permitting
Type III gaming. It's my understanding that the feds had full
authority to suspend Type II permits to any tribal casino that
introduced non-compliant machines (although there was dispute about
on-reservation seisure, which has occurred in other localities).

- Harry

Did you go to Northern Quest? I just can't stomach the place -

even though

it is relatively new the smoke in there will just chew you up.

That is

unless the Type 3 games don't get you first!

I went to Northern Quest last year, but probably won't this year. It
is the typical Washington Indian casino. I just don't think you have
a decent chance to win, let alone finding any "positive" plays. But
it is a nice facility, aside from the smoke.

Northern Quest is a Kalispel tribe casino allowed by the state far
from the tribes reservation (about 100 miles away). My opinion
is this was allowed because of the states frustration trying to get
the Spokane tribe to conform with their rules regarding Indian
gaming. Northern Quest is more convenient, and directly competes
with the Spokane tribe casinos which are on their reservations. The
Spokane tribe continues to offer "Nevada style" gaming, and is the
only tribe in Washington that still does.

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