Does anyone have an opinion about Spin Poker? What are the advantages and
disadvantages of SP as opposed to playing nine lines of multi-play?
Spin Poker
I play spin poker alot, in my local casino all the
"almost full pay" games are only on spin poker. 9/6 JB
16/10 NSUD. I'm wondering if the bankroll required is
less for spin than for a 9 or 10 multi line, since all
the draws are from the same deck.
any opinions or analysis?
Mark
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Does anyone have an opinion about Spin Poker? What
are the advantages and
disadvantages of SP as opposed to playing nine lines
of multi-play?
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Mark Marsh wrote:
I play spin poker alot, in my local casino all the
"almost full pay" games are only on spin poker. 9/6 JB
16/10 NSUD. I'm wondering if the bankroll required is
less for spin than for a 9 or 10 multi line, since all
the draws are from the same deck.
Spinpoker has a higher variance than 10-play. I don't have specific
numbers.
It introduces an additional element of volatility that's not present
in n-play. n-play has greater variance than playing n lines
independently because a card held on the initial deal become part of
every resultant hand. Get a strong initial deal and you produce a
decent likelihood for "n" strong final hands. Ditto for the converse.
This same element is also present in spinpoker. However, spinpoker
adds yet another element of greater volatility: the draw cards for
one line are often not independent of those for another. A single
draw card can form part of up to 5 separate final hands. This has a
similar effect in adding play volatility as when the initial hold
cards become part of multiple hands.
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There is one addition aspect of spinpoker that I don't have a specific
feel in regard to its influence on volatility. Unlike in n-play where
the same draw card may become drawn for more than one hand (for
example a Kc added on the draw to two separate hands), a card drawn
for one spinpoker hand cannot appear in another hand (except to the
extent that 2 lines insect a single card). In other words, in
spinpoker you won't see a Kc in the matrix more than once unless it
was initially held.
This is because, as you note, all cards in the spinpoker matrix are
necessarily selected from the same deck. (If not, there's the
potential for the same card to show up more than once in the same hand
-- nothing like 5 of a kind in a non-wild card game 
The fact that this precludes completing a royal on all lines unless
you've been dealt one (not the case with n-play) suggests that this
reduces volatility. Likewise, if you draw a card that is a poor draw
to the held cards, that card is no longer available the other draws,
reasonably increasing the likelihood of a stronger draw on those.
However, my gut feel is that wheneven you introduce an additional
relationship into what was a purely random situation the effect is to
increase volatility.
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Whatever the case, I'm confident the effect of the single deck use is
relatively nominal. The intersection of multiple lines with some draw
cards will be sufficient for a significant increase in volatility.
My own experience suggests a considerable risk to greater loss or win
when playing spinpoker vs. 10-play. Others report differently.
However, I'm inclined to believe that they're playing $.05 spinpoker
and possess such an ample bankroll for that play that they're not
particularly sensitive to the bankroll swings.
In my case, I play 10-play $.25 with reasonable comfort. In fact, the
swings for any $ amount of play are modestly less than single line $.
That can be obscured by the fact that in playing 50% or more coin
through in an hour the 10-play hourly swings are substantially sharper
than single play $.
However, every time I sit down to $.25 spinpoker (the occasions for
which have been admittedly limited) I find that it's a "by the seat of
my pants" experience.
- Harry
Looking at Jazbo's site, the covariance for Spin Poker
must be much higher than what he shows for each game
(since there is such an interdependence) . Has anyone
done the math?
Mark
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--- Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote:
Mark Marsh wrote:
> I play spin poker alot, in my local casino all the
> "almost full pay" games are only on spin poker.
9/6 JB
> 16/10 NSUD. I'm wondering if the bankroll required
is
> less for spin than for a 9 or 10 multi line, since
all
> the draws are from the same deck.Spinpoker has a higher variance than 10-play. I
don't have specific
numbers.It introduces an additional element of volatility
that's not present
in n-play. n-play has greater variance than playing
n lines
independently because a card held on the initial
deal become part of
every resultant hand. Get a strong initial deal and
you produce a
decent likelihood for "n" strong final hands. Ditto
for the converse.This same element is also present in spinpoker.
However, spinpoker
adds yet another element of greater volatility: the
draw cards for
one line are often not independent of those for
another. A single
draw card can form part of up to 5 separate final
hands. This has a
similar effect in adding play volatility as when the
initial hold
cards become part of multiple hands.------
There is one addition aspect of spinpoker that I
don't have a specific
feel in regard to its influence on volatility.
Unlike in n-play where
the same draw card may become drawn for more than
one hand (for
example a Kc added on the draw to two separate
hands), a card drawn
for one spinpoker hand cannot appear in another hand
(except to the
extent that 2 lines insect a single card). In other
words, in
spinpoker you won't see a Kc in the matrix more than
once unless it
was initially held.This is because, as you note, all cards in the
spinpoker matrix are
necessarily selected from the same deck. (If not,
there's the
potential for the same card to show up more than
once in the same hand
-- nothing like 5 of a kind in a non-wild card game
The fact that this precludes completing a royal on
all lines unless
you've been dealt one (not the case with n-play)
suggests that this
reduces volatility. Likewise, if you draw a card
that is a poor draw
to the held cards, that card is no longer available
the other draws,
reasonably increasing the likelihood of a stronger
draw on those.However, my gut feel is that wheneven you introduce
an additional
relationship into what was a purely random situation
the effect is to
increase volatility.------
Whatever the case, I'm confident the effect of the
single deck use is
relatively nominal. The intersection of multiple
lines with some draw
cards will be sufficient for a significant increase
in volatility.My own experience suggests a considerable risk to
greater loss or win
when playing spinpoker vs. 10-play. Others report
differently.
However, I'm inclined to believe that they're
playing $.05 spinpoker
and possess such an ample bankroll for that play
that they're not
particularly sensitive to the bankroll swings.In my case, I play 10-play $.25 with reasonable
comfort. In fact, the
swings for any $ amount of play are modestly less
than single line $.
That can be obscured by the fact that in playing
50% or more coin
through in an hour the 10-play hourly swings are
substantially sharper
than single play $.However, every time I sit down to $.25 spinpoker
(the occasions for
which have been admittedly limited) I find that it's
a "by the seat of
my pants" experience.- Harry
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