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#1

My wife was recently playing Super Aces spin poker and had an ace dealt
on the 1st and 3rd position. On the draw, she received an ace in the
2nd and 4th position for quad aces on 3 lines. When she described it to
me over the phone, I thought she received the dealt aces on the 1st and
2nd position and filled them in on the 3rd and 4th position. That would
result in only 1 quad aces.

It's interesting that not only the final position but which positions
are dealt and which are drawn affects the payout.

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#2

Zaroff, John wrote:

It's interesting that not only the final position but which positions
are dealt and which are drawn affects the payout.

One key example of why 9 line spinpoker is a much more volatile game
(higher variance) than 10 play.

- H.

#3

Would one of our math people help analyze the Tuscany "Four to a Royal" suit-of-the-day promotion on Tuesdays and Thursdays? It pays 100 coins for 4-to-a-royal in the given suit of the day. Multi-line games only pay on the first line. Some available games are $1 10/7 DB and $1 (5-play) SDB.
   
  I'm guessing from previous discussions that 4 to a royal occurs around 80-90 times pre royal, and one in 4 of those will be suit of the day, so let's say 20 times per 40,000 hands or once every 2,000 hands.

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#4

what are the rules -
is it a 4RF pre draw ( paid if draw 4rf)
4RF -post draw, including all straights, flushes, high pair etc
4rf - post draw, 0 payoff hands only

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----- Original Message ----- From: "John Douglass" <john.douglass@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:51 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Tuscany "Four to a Royal" promotion

Would one of our math people help analyze the Tuscany "Four to a Royal" suit-of-the-day promotion on Tuesdays and Thursdays? It pays 100 coins for 4-to-a-royal in the given suit of the day. Multi-line games only pay on the first line. Some available games are $1 10/7 DB and $1 (5-play) SDB.

I'm guessing from previous discussions that 4 to a royal occurs around 80-90 times pre royal, and one in 4 of those will be suit of the day, so let's say 20 times per 40,000 hands or once every 2,000 hands.

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#5

John, on the front of many SP machines is the subway map which explains which combo's pay. The help section has it also, but my experience is that its not very easy to interpret. I have had a 4K, 5RF not pay off not only in regular 9 line spin poker but also in 20 line spin poker deluxe. Its really a bummer in Spin poker deluxe cause you see the winning hand yet no bells !

regards...Tom

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Zaroff, John" <John.G.Zaroff@delphi.com>
To: <vpmail2@yahoogroups.com>; <vpfree@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2006 4:31 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Spin feature

My wife was recently playing Super Aces spin poker and had an ace dealt
on the 1st and 3rd position. On the draw, she received an ace in the
2nd and 4th position for quad aces on 3 lines. When she described it to
me over the phone, I thought she received the dealt aces on the 1st and
2nd position and filled them in on the 3rd and 4th position. That would
result in only 1 quad aces.

#6

<<It's interesting that not only the final position but which positions
are dealt and which are drawn affects the payout. >>

True. But it's not an arbitrary thing. The way the paylines are made up I find it almost impossible, without lengthy study of a hand, to figure out why I got paid what. You have to see where EACH line travels through what squares. Not quite as hard in the original 9 liner, but with 20 lines on the Spin Poker Deluxe - I don't even try to figure it out - or I'd never get enough hands played before I had a headache!

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#7

I would have guesed that this information is already here somewhere.

I took a whack at it. Let's say the suit of the day is Hearts.

The chance of picking one of the five hearts is 5/52.
Then, the chance of picking up a second one from that set is 4/51
Then, the chance of picking up a third one from that set is 3/50
and so on...

This gives the chance of a four-to-a-Royal Hearts as

    ( 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 )/( 52 x 51 x 50 x 49 )

which is of the order of 1 in 50000 (54145 to be exact)
There seems to be something wrong with this calculation.
The odds should be much better than that.

Somebody tell me what is wrong here, before I figure it out myself.

Thanks.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Douglass <john.douglass@...>
wrote:

Would one of our math people help analyze the Tuscany "Four to a

Royal" suit-of-the-day promotion on Tuesdays and Thursdays? It pays
100 coins for 4-to-a-royal in the given suit of the day. Multi-line
games only pay on the first line. Some available games are $1 10/7 DB
and $1 (5-play) SDB.

   
  I'm guessing from previous discussions that 4 to a royal occurs

around 80-90 times pre royal, and one in 4 of those will be suit of
the day, so let's say 20 times per 40,000 hands or once every 2,000
hands.

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#8

Would one of our math people help analyze the Tuscany "Four to a Royal"
suit-of-the-day promotion on Tuesdays and Thursdays? It pays 100 coins
for 4-to-a-royal in the given suit of the day. Multi-line games only pay
on the first line. Some available games are $1 10/7 DB and $1 (5-play)
SDB.

I am planning to address certain aspects of this promotion in my online
column next Tuesday.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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Subject: [vpFREE] Tuscany "Four to a Royal" promotion

  I'm guessing from previous discussions that 4 to a royal occurs around
80-90 times pre royal, and one in 4 of those will be suit of the day, so
let's say 20 times per 40,000 hands or once every 2,000 hands.

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#9

I stopped by last night. There are signs everywhere that say:

On multi-line machines, the 4 to the royal must be dealt. Did not seem to
say bottom line only, but I may be wrong.

A royal does not get the bonus (which means some nit tried to get the extra
100 coins for a royal, pointing to the postcard illustration of TJQK and
"any card".)

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On 7/12/06, John Douglass <john.douglass@yahoo.com> wrote:

Multi-line games only pay on the first line. Some available games are $1
10/7 DB and $1 (5-play) SDB.

#10

what are the rules According to a sign posted at the player's club, the bonus is paid on the bottom line on any hand except a Royal

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#11

<<On multi-line machines, the 4 to the royal must be dealt. Did not seem to
say bottom line only, but I may be wrong.>>

I didn't write down the words on the sign, but I don't remember it that way. I think they meant they would pay a 4-to-royal bonus only on the dealt hand, meaning the bottom line.

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#12

Adams Myth wrote:

This gives the chance of a four-to-a-Royal Hearts as

    ( 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 )/( 52 x 51 x 50 x 49 )

which is of the order of 1 in 50000 (54145 to be exact)
There seems to be something wrong with this calculation.
The odds should be much better than that.

Somebody tell me what is wrong here, before I figure it out myself.

This calculates the probability of 4RF on the first 4 dealt cards.

At minimum, the problem calls for the calculation of 4RF within the 5
dealt cards (not difficult)

However, (and this isn't clear from what I've read thus far), if the
bonus is paid on a final hand with 4RF, then the math becomes much
more complex -- in part since final hand probabilities depend upon
play strategy.

- Harry

#13

Bob Dancer wrote:

Would one of our math people help analyze the Tuscany "Four to a
Royal" suit-of-the-day promotion on Tuesdays and Thursdays? It pays
100 coins for 4-to-a-royal in the given suit of the day. Multi-line
games only pay on the first line. Some available games are $1 10/7 DB
and $1 (5-play) SDB.

I am planning to address certain aspects of this promotion in my
online column next Tuesday.

Hey, Bob! My jaw was left dragging on the floor until I browsed to
the original post in this thread and saw that the first paragraph
wasn't your statement (only the last sentence, in reply).

Couldn't believe my eyes -- Dancer requesting math help in a public
forum???

Don't know if the first paragraph was originally italicized or set off
in some other fashion, but you may wish to be more careful with
attributions :slight_smile:

- H.

#14

You may be right. Now that I think about it, the wording seemed ambiguous.
At the time, I took it to mean that you had to start with 4 to the royal,
not end up with it.

No matter - either way, it emptied the bank of 5-plays.

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On 7/12/06, Jean Scott <QueenofComps@frugalgambler.biz> wrote:

I didn't write down the words on the sign, but I don't remember it that
way. I think they meant they would pay a 4-to-royal bonus only on the dealt
hand, meaning the bottom line.

#15

Harry wrote: Hey, Bob! My jaw was left dragging on the floor until I
browsed to the original post in this thread and saw that the first
paragraph wasn't your statement (only the last sentence, in reply).

Good point. Thank you for clarifying it for everyone else.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Tuscany "Four to a Royal" promotion

#16

That's a very good question that I don't know the answer to. Perhaps someone can find out for us (or Bob's article will address it)?
   
  I remember that the sign refers to drawing 4-to-a-royal, but I don't recall seeing any exclusions for paying hands i.e. a high pair. The devil's in the details, as they say.

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tomflush <tomflush@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
  what are the rules -
is it a 4RF pre draw ( paid if draw 4rf)
4RF -post draw, including all straights, flushes, high pair etc
4rf - post draw, 0 payoff hands only

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#17

That's a very good question that I don't know the answer to. Perhaps

someone can find out for us (or Bob's article will address it)?

   
  I remember that the sign refers to drawing 4-to-a-royal, but I

don't recall seeing any exclusions for paying hands i.e. a high pair.
The devil's in the details, as they say.

I asked a bootling last night and you only need to end up with four to
a royal. No restrictions on whether it's a winning hand or not...

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, John Douglass <john.douglass@...> wrote: