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Roland Langley wrote:

It would depend on the severity of the errors, and how much speed can
be gained by not sweating the small errors, but I suspect that
emphasizing speed will result in a higher EV for most advantage
players.

Personally, I hate making errors, and I'm willing to sacrifice speed
in order to minimize the mistakes.

The speed vs. accuracy question is a bit interesting. I'd be hesitant
to broadly generalize as Roland has. Pushing play speed is warranted
only for those who strive for very accurate play (satisfied with an
error cost of no greater than .05% in any computer practice session).

In any case, I don't think it's ever a question of "sweating the small
errors". It's the occasional major slips that'll kill you. The
player who has a strong grasp of strategy, but is willing to tolerate
considerably less accuracy, is going to be much more susceptible to
the occasional brief lapses in attention that give rise to costly errors.

For most players the adage "Speed Kills" is very applicable.

The fact is that most players can avoid many unnecessary errors
through a very modest reduction in play speed. A quick double check
of a hold (requiring no more than a fraction of a second) will catch
many inadvertent mistakes.

- Harry

Harry:

I believe the speed issue is overrated for several reasons--and is why I'm very happy to play at 600 hph max. these days. First, as you all elude to, everyone understands that mistakes will be made. Using the word 'costly' isn't really relevant, however. Let's look at your type of player for instance. You don't play every day. You strive to be computer-perfect but you know you are not. Mistakes are made....but are they 'costly'? That depends on what you missed vs. what came up on the draw. Theory does not enter into the equation when presented with absolutes. You will not consistently make the same error because you are always in a varying state of attention and awareness. When my wife is along, we play the same machine for enjoyment. She makes the holds, is not extremely accurate, and regardless of her holds I will never tell her what I see until I hit the draw button. There has NEVER been a catastrophic occurrence because of what I let pass that I was able to catch, but over the years there has been one SF and one RF that popped up because of what she 'mistakenly' did. Because it is a game and we understand that, we have a tremendous amount of fun if we quit when we do not let ourselves get into that zombie zone any longer - while sticking to a pre-set plan.

For those who chase points and comps at promotions--as many do, and which I believe is a weakness flaw in video poker players--I can't really blame them. It's tempting, I've done it myself in the past, and it's there because the most allow the casinos to dictate play policy to them. Naturally we want to play as fast and accurately as possible is such cases. I expect that the term 'Speed Kills' applies more to those who play every day more than it does to the others, but it is not the end-all. I also have found home results on WP to be a bit more accurate than casino play--based on many self-tests my wife has taken. Everybody's different, I know. But robots we are not.

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  Roland Langley wrote:
  > It would depend on the severity of the errors, and how much speed can
  > be gained by not sweating the small errors, but I suspect that
  > emphasizing speed will result in a higher EV for most advantage
  > players.
  >
  > Personally, I hate making errors, and I'm willing to sacrifice speed
  > in order to minimize the mistakes.

  The speed vs. accuracy question is a bit interesting. I'd be hesitant
  to broadly generalize as Roland has. Pushing play speed is warranted
  only for those who strive for very accurate play (satisfied with an
  error cost of no greater than .05% in any computer practice session).

  In any case, I don't think it's ever a question of "sweating the small
  errors". It's the occasional major slips that'll kill you. The
  player who has a strong grasp of strategy, but is willing to tolerate
  considerably less accuracy, is going to be much more susceptible to
  the occasional brief lapses in attention that give rise to costly errors.

  For most players the adage "Speed Kills" is very applicable.

  The fact is that most players can avoid many unnecessary errors
  through a very modest reduction in play speed. A quick double check
  of a hold (requiring no more than a fraction of a second) will catch
  many inadvertent mistakes.

  - Harry

Rob, you make several excellent points in your post -- some of which
are totally on target, some which I'll take a little exception with.
I want to touch on one question: What do mistakes cost?

As you note, "that depends on what you missed vs. what you came up
with on the draw". Of course, we're talking not only about
inadvertent mistakes but also any intentional holds that deviate from
optimal strategy.

In actual play, the cost of our errors is a matter absolutes -- how
many credits we would win had we make the optimal strategy hold vs.
the less optimal one we did. But we only know the outcome of our
chosen hold and usually have no way of knowing how'd we make out on
any other alternate hold.

What we do know, for both holds, is the result to expect on average --
the EV of each hold. While it's true that in making a hold that's
less than "optimal" we might very well luck into a nice win, there's
no question that in doing so we'd be luckier than average.

Well, frankly, I don't believe I'm luckier than most. If I did, I'd
play a lot more long shots. (For that matter, I don't view that I
suffer worse luck than others ... though it certainly seems that way
at times :slight_smile: So I'm very willing to accept that the theoretical cost
of any deviation from optimal strategy is pretty much on target --
and, accordingly, strive to play as accurately as I can.

But my concern with accuracy doesn't take away from the fun of my
play, any more than it would in any other skilled effort or sport.
Accuracy is something for which I strive, not beat myself up about.
During play I attempt to maintain a keen sense of my accuracy.
Obviously that's a hit or miss task, to be conscious of your
unconscious mistakes.

I scan the cards a couple of times after I've decided on a hold,
including a pass just after I've hit the DRAW button. I'm not
suggesting that I catch all the mistakes I make. However, when I
discover an error at the last second, such as a missed pair (the cards
"hiding out" at opposite ends :), I know it's time to slow down just a
bit. And in the case of a missed pair, I have no illusions about the
cost incurred from the error.

- Harry

<<For most players the adage "Speed Kills" is very applicable.

The fact is that most players can avoid many unnecessary errors
through a very modest reduction in play speed. A quick double check
of a hold (requiring no more than a fraction of a second) will catch
many inadvertent mistakes.>>

This is the message I emphasize in Frugal 2.

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