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Special Interest Video Poker Groups

#1

The vpFREE Video Poker Group is a free internet forum for the
discussion and exchange of information about video poker and
video poker related topics.

Special interest groups, whose membership significantly overlaps
vpFREE's, are counter-productive to most vpFREE members IMO.
They tend to duplicate, fragment and dilute vpFREE's full-service
video poker coverage. vpFREE members who post something on these
forums, rather than on vpFREE, penalize their fellow vpFREE
members who prefer a one-stop site and are excluded from the post
and any ensuing discussion.

vpFREE members who appreciate and value vpFREE as a free,
full-service, one-stop video poker resource should seriously
consider the advisability of participating on any narrowly
focused special interest group that dilutes vpFREE's video
poker coverage.

vpFREE Administrator

#2

Excellent comments. On the other hand, these so-called special
interest groups tend to stay focused on video poker, rather than I-
15 from LA to Vegas, or a shooting in a North LV casino. I really
cannot see how either of these two examples (and there are plenty
more) have anything to do with video poker.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@...>
wrote:

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The vpFREE Video Poker Group is a free internet forum for the
discussion and exchange of information about video poker and
video poker related topics.

Special interest groups, whose membership significantly overlaps
vpFREE's, are counter-productive to most vpFREE members IMO.
They tend to duplicate, fragment and dilute vpFREE's full-service
video poker coverage. vpFREE members who post something on these
forums, rather than on vpFREE, penalize their fellow vpFREE
members who prefer a one-stop site and are excluded from the post
and any ensuing discussion.

vpFREE members who appreciate and value vpFREE as a free,
full-service, one-stop video poker resource should seriously
consider the advisability of participating on any narrowly
focused special interest group that dilutes vpFREE's video
poker coverage.

vpFREE Administrator

#3

<<Excellent comments. On the other hand, these so-called special interest groups tend to stay focused on video poker, rather than I-
15 from LA to Vegas, or a shooting in a North LV casino. I really cannot see how either of these two examples (and there are plenty more) have anything to do with video poker.>>

Traveling to/from Vegas - a shooting in a casino - these ARE related to the total gambling experience. I wish FreevpFree could function as a group that discussed related topics to VP and be moderated enough that it doesn't become the domain for a couple of people who dominate with childish wrangling. I feel comps IS a legitimate VP topic and should remain on main forum, but there are many other topics that are Vegas and gambling related , but not so closely to VP.

What about leaving FREEvpFree as an unmoderated free-for-all, especially for controversial topics, like smoking, politics, personal vendettas, etc. Then have a sub-group (like the ones for particular areas) that is lightly moderated to keep out the rabid and is for topics that are more general, related to general gambling, Vegas, etc. That could be for casino news (non-VP), other games (like poker), casino restaurant reviews, Vegas happening (non-VP), etc.

Just a suggestion.

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#4

vpFREE Administrator wrote:

Special interest groups, whose membership significantly overlaps
vpFREE's, are counter-productive to most vpFREE members IMO ...
vpFREE members who post something on these forums, rather than on
vpFREE, penalize their fellow vpFREE members ...

I would have overlooked this post were it not for the comments this
evening. To be frank, this smacks of my neighbor who is scandalized
if I've been carrying on any conversation with another neighbor to
which they've not been privy.

We bring to this table what we're interested in sharing with this
group. I'm surprised that anyone would care what we happen to share
elsewhere, much less our moderator.

I have tremendous appreciation for the time and effort the vpFA
expends in shepherding this group along. As much as I value this
group, it's not a role I'd willingly take on.

There's no doubt that the intent of vpFA's post was to enhance the
information imparted here. However, any suggestion of contributing
here to the exclusion of other similar groups (or to suggest that
there's an obligation to post here) is misguided.

- Harry

#5

I don't know. The I-15 from LA to Vegas; I just don't tune in to the
thread if no interest. Shooting? ...borderline. But, if planning a
trip I might want to get some input on rent a rides. I use Dollar but I
might try some other company after reading some good specials etc. At
the time I am traveling Vegas I click on the rent a car threads.
Otherwise, I pass.

To make a long story short.... the "special interest groups" add more
than take away. I'm not so sure we can discuss JOB any more. Holding a
high pair over a 3Roy really needs no more discussion. Only thing left
to discuss would be if Orleans has double cb next week. Regulars get
that info in the mail. Without the special groups the site would be
dead.

One persons opinion.....Jeep

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Charles" <fromthevault@...> wrote:

Excellent comments. On the other hand, these so-called special
interest groups tend to stay focused on video poker, rather than I-
15 from LA to Vegas, or a shooting in a North LV casino. I really
cannot see how either of these two examples (and there are plenty
more) have anything to do with video poker.

#6

I didn't know what the vpFREE Administrator was referring to.
(I wasn't sure exactly what 'special interest groups' meant.)
So, I emailed him/her privately about this and asked why the
post to vpFREE.

He/she said that there are some recently started Yahoo
groups, like "Casino Comps," "Harrah's Casinos," and
"MGM Mirage Casinos" (which I never knew about). He/she
said that these Groups "....duplicate and dilute vpFREE's
video poker coverage and are counter-productive to
vpFREE members who prefer a one-stop, full-service site."

Well, that was a very good explanation of his/her original post.

But, I find it inappropriate for anyone, especially an Group
Moderator, to suggest that their Group's members limit their
posting to a particular Group.

I have been a member of many different Yahoo! Groups for a
long time. This is the first time that I have ever read a post,
requesting that members NOT post on another Group.

I seems to me that there is more behind all of this than the
vpFREE Administrator is letting on.

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On 6/25/06, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@yahoo.com> wrote:

The vpFREE Video Poker Group is a free internet forum for the
discussion and exchange of information about video poker and
video poker related topics.

Special interest groups, whose membership significantly overlaps
vpFREE's, are counter-productive to most vpFREE members IMO.
They tend to duplicate, fragment and dilute vpFREE's full-service
video poker coverage. vpFREE members who post something on these
forums, rather than on vpFREE, penalize their fellow vpFREE
members who prefer a one-stop site and are excluded from the post
and any ensuing discussion.

vpFREE members who appreciate and value vpFREE as a free,
full-service, one-stop video poker resource should seriously
consider the advisability of participating on any narrowly
focused special interest group that dilutes vpFREE's video
poker coverage.

vpFREE Administrator

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#7

Curtis Rich wrote:

... He/she said that there are some recently started Yahoo
groups, like "Casino Comps," "Harrah's Casinos," and
"MGM Mirage Casinos" (which I never knew about). He/she
said that these Groups "....duplicate and dilute vpFREE's
video poker coverage and are counter-productive to
vpFREE members who prefer a one-stop, full-service site." ...

... I seems to me that there is more behind all of this than the
vpFREE Administrator is letting on.

I don't think there's any particular agenda at work here beyond a
desire that the contributions to vpFREE be as comprehensive as
possible. And I don't fault that, per se.

However, just as it is appropriate that the special interest regional
groups have found their own forum, there are other topics that might
find greater room for discussion and expansion when explored on their
own group.

I would count a Harrah's group among those. The esoterica of their
Total Rewards system and other comp/bonus aspects of the casino are
intricate enough that a thorough exploration would best find a home in
a separate, focussed group. And, the targeted message base would be
an excellent resource in which to dig for a general grasp of the system.

In a larger group, such as vpFREE, the information quickly is lost in
the sea of posts (outside of the brief excerpts that can readily be
swept into the database and abbreviated discussion).

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However, I'll side with the Administrator in saying that any separate
group would ideally be very focussed and limited-purpose. Personally,
I never found the idea of a separate Casino Comps group to hold any
particular interest. The topic is far too wide ranging and if I'm
looking to exchange ideas with others, I'm going to want to restrict
my contributions to a broader group such as this. I'll simply get
more bang for the buck.

Ultimately, I look for there to be a bit of a Darwinian survival
factor for any "splinter" group". If it serves a unique purpose and
there's sufficient interest, it'll thrive. If, instead, it has a more
general attraction, it'll prosper to the extent that its members
merely desire a different forum in the first place ... aside from
that, it'll likely die on the vine and there's little need to
discourage participation.

- Harry

#8

Good suggestion, Jean! How about "vegasFREE" or "lvFREE"?

Jean Scott <QueenofComps@frugalgambler.biz> wrote: sub-group (like the ones for particular areas) that is lightly moderated to keep out the rabid and is for topics that are more general, related to general gambling, Vegas, etc. That could be for casino news (non-VP), other games (like poker), casino restaurant reviews, Vegas happening (non-VP), etc.

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#9

Jean Scott wrote:

... sub-group (like the ones for particular areas) that is lightly
moderated to keep out the rabid and is for topics that are more
general, related to general gambling, Vegas, etc. That could be for
casino news (non-VP), other games (like poker), casino restaurant
reviews, Vegas happening (non-VP), etc.

John Douglass wrote:

Good suggestion, Jean! How about "vegasFREE" or "lvFREE"?

Such a group might help helpful. I'll note, though, that many members
here already belong to what is the finest group of this nature:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Vegas/

(Of course, the latest post to that group is almost amusing in light
of this discussion ...)

- H.

#10

Thanks, Harry. I wasn't aware of that group.

Harry Porter <harry.porter@verizon.net> wrote: Such a group might help helpful. I'll note, though, that many members
here already belong to what is the finest group of this nature:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Vegas/

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#11

Great ideas. In the original post, the administrator was commenting
on special interest video poker groups. Now maybe it is just me, but
I thought vpFREE was a special interest video poker group. There are
plenty of websites and newsgroups that discuss the endless minutia
of Las Vegas in general. Sure, a shooting at the Silver Nugget
relates to the overall gambling experience. But, that place could
have 10/8 DDB and I still wouldn't play there; that is my right of
choice. Others may enjoy the place; that is their right.

Only a few sites and groups really get into VP. Even living in
Vegas, and playing VP almost every day, I can't visit all the
casinos and keep up with all the new games, movement of machines,
paytable changes, etc. So it really is in my best interest to
participate in, or at least read, any and all groups or sites that
would be considered "special interest video poker groups".

Traveling to/from Vegas - a shooting in a casino - these ARE

related to the total gambling experience. I wish FreevpFree could
function as a group that discussed related topics to VP and be
moderated enough that it doesn't become the domain for a couple of
people who dominate with childish wrangling. I feel comps IS a
legitimate VP topic and should remain on main forum, but there are
many other topics that are Vegas and gambling related , but not so
closely to VP.

What about leaving FREEvpFree as an unmoderated free-for-all,

especially for controversial topics, like smoking, politics,
personal vendettas, etc. Then have a sub-group (like the ones for
particular areas) that is lightly moderated to keep out the rabid
and is for topics that are more general, related to general
gambling, Vegas, etc. That could be for casino news (non-VP), other
games (like poker), casino restaurant reviews, Vegas happening (non-
VP), etc.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@...> wrote:

#12

On the other hand, if - like me - you do much, most, or(like me) ALL
of your gambling @AC, membership in other vp-related yahoo groups is
anywhere from helpful to strongly suggested. Particularly since AC
seems to be the ONE(main) casino locale for which vpFREE does NOT
have a "location-specific" splinter/side group.

I'm in this group for the general VP knowledge and the fact that
it's got so many(posts from so many) VP "gurus" as members, who's(On
Topic) posts are always worthwhile. And, there's always the chance
that I might get to visit Vegas someday. However, till then(and
quite likely after then), I'm in AC-specific, non-vpFREE-affiliated
groups.

I wish vpFREE HAD an AC-specific group, like they do for SO many
other locales(including, curiously enough, New England - which, if
I'm not mistaken, comprises all of 2 casinos?), but they didn't ask
me. Thus I belong to, and post in, at least one "special interest
group". I doubt I'm alone here in belonging to(and/or posting in)
such groups for that exact(or a similar) reason.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@...>
wrote:

···

The vpFREE Video Poker Group is a free internet forum for the
discussion and exchange of information about video poker and
video poker related topics.

Special interest groups, whose membership significantly overlaps
vpFREE's, are counter-productive to most vpFREE members IMO.
They tend to duplicate, fragment and dilute vpFREE's full-service
video poker coverage. vpFREE members who post something on these
forums, rather than on vpFREE, penalize their fellow vpFREE
members who prefer a one-stop site and are excluded from the post
and any ensuing discussion.

vpFREE members who appreciate and value vpFREE as a free,
full-service, one-stop video poker resource should seriously
consider the advisability of participating on any narrowly
focused special interest group that dilutes vpFREE's video
poker coverage.

vpFREE Administrator

#13

I am in here the same as you and actualy know you from your ac group. Bet the baby is big now. We used to chat about ac ;I know you for a bout 6 years now.

Jeff <punnybone@hotmail.com> wrote: On the other hand, if - like me - you do much, most, or(like me) ALL
of your gambling @AC, membership in other vp-related yahoo groups is
anywhere from helpful to strongly suggested. Particularly since AC
seems to be the ONE(main) casino locale for which vpFREE does NOT
have a "location-specific" splinter/side group.

I'm in this group for the general VP knowledge and the fact that
it's got so many(posts from so many) VP "gurus" as members, who's(On
Topic) posts are always worthwhile. And, there's always the chance
that I might get to visit Vegas someday. However, till then(and
quite likely after then), I'm in AC-specific, non-vpFREE-affiliated
groups.

I wish vpFREE HAD an AC-specific group, like they do for SO many
other locales(including, curiously enough, New England - which, if
I'm not mistaken, comprises all of 2 casinos?), but they didn't ask
me. Thus I belong to, and post in, at least one "special interest
group". I doubt I'm alone here in belonging to(and/or posting in)
such groups for that exact(or a similar) reason.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, vpFREE Administrator <vp_free@...>
wrote:

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> The vpFREE Video Poker Group is a free internet forum for the
> discussion and exchange of information about video poker and
> video poker related topics.
>
> Special interest groups, whose membership significantly overlaps
> vpFREE's, are counter-productive to most vpFREE members IMO.
> They tend to duplicate, fragment and dilute vpFREE's full-service
> video poker coverage. vpFREE members who post something on these
> forums, rather than on vpFREE, penalize their fellow vpFREE
> members who prefer a one-stop site and are excluded from the post
> and any ensuing discussion.
>
> vpFREE members who appreciate and value vpFREE as a free,
> full-service, one-stop video poker resource should seriously
> consider the advisability of participating on any narrowly
> focused special interest group that dilutes vpFREE's video
> poker coverage.
>
> vpFREE Administrator

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