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Something strange

I'm curious: If you truly believe video poker machines are gaffed, why would you continue playing them?

The only thing that keeps me playing is I believe the machines are random and fair. I'm open to the possibility they are not, but I would need evidence that refuted the evidence I have today that they are random.

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--- On Thu, 5/7/09, SluToo <slutoo@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: SluToo <slutoo@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Something strange
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, May 7, 2009, 2:57 AM

I don't play as much as most here, but I have always been amazed at how often I do get the same card/diff suite. I'm definetly a believer that there is some programming quirk going on.
Dave

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jocko_ky" <j.sharpe@...> wrote:

I play about 25 hrs. a week and have for years. I play mostly 9/6 JOB and some DDB. I've also noticed that I appear (I said appear) to get the same replacement card in a different suit very often when drawing to flushes, 4 card straits & 2 pair. Being a strictly numbers kind of guy, I've shrugged it off. I have no idea who Rob Singer is. But, even with the limited number of tested hands he claims, (approx 3,500 of these combinations) getting 8 times the expected results is quite strange. My issue is this: Can I make (or lose less) money with this knowledge? Does this mean that the card I'm looking for is less likely to come up?

Jocko

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paymar <Dan@> wrote:
>
> Robert Levine wrote:
> >Rob Singer is doing a study on having 4 to a flush or straight and
> >having the same card that you threw away come back in another suit.
> >For example, you have the 2-3-4-5-9h, and throw away the 9h and get
> >back the 9d.
> >
> >He's showing that this keeps happening way out of the normal
> >percentages that it should be happening. If you go to his website
> >vptruth.com, you'll see the results for yourself. Anything that is
> >out of the realm of "randomness" must be considered rigged.
>
> This is typical of Singer. We "see" such occurrences for the same
> reason that we see faces and animals in cloud formations.
>
> Several years ago a couple of readers said that, when playing Deuces
> Wild, they got quads (four-of-a-kind) immediately after a quads hand
> more frequently than the expected one in 15 plays. I had also had
> this impression a few times, so I started keeping records. After
> about 50,000 hands of Deuces Wild I found that the probability of
> quads was very close to expectation whether after a quads hand or
> after any other result.
>
> Our minds like to find patterns, whether they exist or not, so we
> remember instances such as the above and forget about all the
> "normal" results. I have never found or received any evidence that
> any video poker machine in a Nevada casino did not obey the
> regulatory mandate that every unseen card has equal probability of
> appearing at any time.
>
> --
> Dan Paymar
> Author of best selling book, "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
> Developer of VP analysis/trainer software "Optimum Video Poker"
> Visit my web site at www.OptimumPlay.com
>
> "Chance favors the prepared mind." -- Louis Pasteur
>

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