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Something strange

#1

Robert Levine wrote:

Rob Singer is doing a study on having 4 to a flush or straight and having the same card that you threw away come back in another suit. For example, you have the 2-3-4-5-9h, and throw away the 9h and get back the 9d.

He's showing that this keeps happening way out of the normal percentages that it should be happening. If you go to his website vptruth.com, you'll see the results for yourself. Anything that is out of the realm of "randomness" must be considered rigged.

This is typical of Singer. We "see" such occurrences for the same reason that we see faces and animals in cloud formations.

Several years ago a couple of readers said that, when playing Deuces Wild, they got quads (four-of-a-kind) immediately after a quads hand more frequently than the expected one in 15 plays. I had also had this impression a few times, so I started keeping records. After about 50,000 hands of Deuces Wild I found that the probability of quads was very close to expectation whether after a quads hand or after any other result.

Our minds like to find patterns, whether they exist or not, so we remember instances such as the above and forget about all the "normal" results. I have never found or received any evidence that any video poker machine in a Nevada casino did not obey the regulatory mandate that every unseen card has equal probability of appearing at any time.

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Dan Paymar
Author of best selling book, "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
Developer of VP analysis/trainer software "Optimum Video Poker"
Visit my web site at www.OptimumPlay.com

"Chance favors the prepared mind." -- Louis Pasteur

#2

Come on Dan, I know you remember the American Coin scandal? Was it really that long ago?

http://americancasinoguide.com/Tips/Slots-Honest.shtml

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paymar <Dan@...> wrote:

I have never found or received any evidence that
any video poker machine in a Nevada casino did not obey the
regulatory mandate that every unseen card has equal probability of
appearing at any time.

#3

I play about 25 hrs. a week and have for years. I play mostly 9/6 JOB and some DDB. I've also noticed that I appear (I said appear) to get the same replacement card in a different suit very often when drawing to flushes, 4 card straits & 2 pair. Being a strictly numbers kind of guy, I've shrugged it off. I have no idea who Rob Singer is. But, even with the limited number of tested hands he claims, (approx 3,500 of these combinations) getting 8 times the expected results is quite strange. My issue is this: Can I make (or lose less) money with this knowledge? Does this mean that the card I'm looking for is less likely to come up?

Jocko

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paymar <Dan@...> wrote:

Robert Levine wrote:
>Rob Singer is doing a study on having 4 to a flush or straight and
>having the same card that you threw away come back in another suit.
>For example, you have the 2-3-4-5-9h, and throw away the 9h and get
>back the 9d.
>
>He's showing that this keeps happening way out of the normal
>percentages that it should be happening. If you go to his website
>vptruth.com, you'll see the results for yourself. Anything that is
>out of the realm of "randomness" must be considered rigged.

This is typical of Singer. We "see" such occurrences for the same
reason that we see faces and animals in cloud formations.

Several years ago a couple of readers said that, when playing Deuces
Wild, they got quads (four-of-a-kind) immediately after a quads hand
more frequently than the expected one in 15 plays. I had also had
this impression a few times, so I started keeping records. After
about 50,000 hands of Deuces Wild I found that the probability of
quads was very close to expectation whether after a quads hand or
after any other result.

Our minds like to find patterns, whether they exist or not, so we
remember instances such as the above and forget about all the
"normal" results. I have never found or received any evidence that
any video poker machine in a Nevada casino did not obey the
regulatory mandate that every unseen card has equal probability of
appearing at any time.

--
Dan Paymar
Author of best selling book, "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
Developer of VP analysis/trainer software "Optimum Video Poker"
Visit my web site at www.OptimumPlay.com

"Chance favors the prepared mind." -- Louis Pasteur

#4

I don't play as much as most here, but I have always been amazed at how often I do get the same card/diff suite. I'm definetly a believer that there is some programming quirk going on.
Dave

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jocko_ky" <j.sharpe@...> wrote:

I play about 25 hrs. a week and have for years. I play mostly 9/6 JOB and some DDB. I've also noticed that I appear (I said appear) to get the same replacement card in a different suit very often when drawing to flushes, 4 card straits & 2 pair. Being a strictly numbers kind of guy, I've shrugged it off. I have no idea who Rob Singer is. But, even with the limited number of tested hands he claims, (approx 3,500 of these combinations) getting 8 times the expected results is quite strange. My issue is this: Can I make (or lose less) money with this knowledge? Does this mean that the card I'm looking for is less likely to come up?

Jocko

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Dan Paymar <Dan@> wrote:
>
> Robert Levine wrote:
> >Rob Singer is doing a study on having 4 to a flush or straight and
> >having the same card that you threw away come back in another suit.
> >For example, you have the 2-3-4-5-9h, and throw away the 9h and get
> >back the 9d.
> >
> >He's showing that this keeps happening way out of the normal
> >percentages that it should be happening. If you go to his website
> >vptruth.com, you'll see the results for yourself. Anything that is
> >out of the realm of "randomness" must be considered rigged.
>
> This is typical of Singer. We "see" such occurrences for the same
> reason that we see faces and animals in cloud formations.
>
> Several years ago a couple of readers said that, when playing Deuces
> Wild, they got quads (four-of-a-kind) immediately after a quads hand
> more frequently than the expected one in 15 plays. I had also had
> this impression a few times, so I started keeping records. After
> about 50,000 hands of Deuces Wild I found that the probability of
> quads was very close to expectation whether after a quads hand or
> after any other result.
>
> Our minds like to find patterns, whether they exist or not, so we
> remember instances such as the above and forget about all the
> "normal" results. I have never found or received any evidence that
> any video poker machine in a Nevada casino did not obey the
> regulatory mandate that every unseen card has equal probability of
> appearing at any time.
>
> --
> Dan Paymar
> Author of best selling book, "Video Poker - Optimum Play"
> Developer of VP analysis/trainer software "Optimum Video Poker"
> Visit my web site at www.OptimumPlay.com
>
> "Chance favors the prepared mind." -- Louis Pasteur
>