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some sorokin numbers

#1

I have checked four of these numbers and find them to all be a bit low. In other words, the risk of ruin with perfect play is a bit higher than these numbers would indicate. Errors in human play, however, probably increase the risk more than these small errors, especially for Double Bonus and All American.
Dan

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"aaquad250" <aaquad250@yahoo.com> wrote:

these are for max-ev strategies:
db=0.999875775
db+0.5%cb=0.999490459
db(rf=1100)=0.999579484
jacks+1%cb=0.999359857
jacks(rf=1300)=0.999592157
pick'em+0.5%cb=0.999347125
deuces=0.999346833
allamerican=0.999410692
joker=0.999463346

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#2

For 10/7 DB I compute 0.9998757753249636 and for jacks(rf=1300)
I get 0.9995921560339305, which both match quite well to the
numbers above.

If your numbers disagree with mine, then one of us must be doing
something wrong. I would suggest that we work together (perhaps
through email) to resolve this discrepency.

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On Sunday 04 January 2004 11:02 pm, Dan Paymar wrote:

"aaquad250" <aaquad250@yahoo.com> wrote:
>these are for max-ev strategies:
>db=0.999875775
>db+0.5%cb=0.999490459
>db(rf=1100)=0.999579484
>jacks+1%cb=0.999359857
>jacks(rf=1300)=0.999592157
>pick'em+0.5%cb=0.999347125
>deuces=0.999346833
>allamerican=0.999410692
>joker=0.999463346

I have checked four of these numbers and find them to all be a bit
low. In other words, the risk of ruin with perfect play is a bit
higher than these numbers would indicate. Errors in human play,
however, probably increase the risk more than these small errors,
especially for Double Bonus and All American.
Dan

#3

Dan, are you saying that Sorokin's equation itself isn't completely accurate, because the RoR with perfect play is a bit higher than indicated by those numbers? I assume that by 'perfect play' you mean mathematically perfect application of the strategy resulting from the Sorokin number which is appropriate for max-ev.

Dan Paymar wrote:

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"aaquad250" <aaquad250@yahoo.com> wrote:
>these are for max-ev strategies:
>db=0.999875775
>db+0.5%cb=0.999490459
>db(rf=1100)=0.999579484
>jacks+1%cb=0.999359857
>jacks(rf=1300)=0.999592157
>pick'em+0.5%cb=0.999347125
>deuces=0.999346833
>allamerican=0.999410692
>joker=0.999463346

I have checked four of these numbers and find them to all be a bit
low. In other words, the risk of ruin with perfect play is a bit
higher than these numbers would indicate. Errors in human play,
however, probably increase the risk more than these small errors,
especially for Double Bonus and All American.
Dan

#4

Steve Jacobs wrote (in reference to Dan Paymar's post re Sorokin numbers):

If your numbers disagree with mine, then one of us must be doing
something wrong. I would suggest that we work together (perhaps
through email) to resolve this discrepency.

Gentlemen, if you do decide to take this to email, I would very much like to receive copies of your exchange in this matter if neither of your would mind, and I promise to not butt in with my two cents or burden either of you with questions. I'll just try to follow it the best that I can, and try to figure it out.

Thanks.

Bill Velek