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Some LVH Info

I posted this in response to a vpFREE_Chicago
discussion, but thought it might be of interest here
on the 'big board'. I was at the Hilton July 16-20.

The new ownership had already taken over when I was

there. There were no changes in VP inventory at that
time. I talked to a couple hosts and a couple people
in marketing. They all said there are no plans to
change the VP at the Hilton. The big plans seem to be
to reconfigure the casino, add machines, re-do the
sportsbook(better lighting, individual monitors,
plasma screens, etc), bring in bigger-name
entertainment and perhaps re-do the nightclub to be a
'hipper' venue.

They all said they are determined to offer the same
comps, marketing offers, etc as they always have.

When I got my new Hilton-Resorts card, they matched my
Caesars comp dollars, but of course they are only good
at the Hilton. I hardly ever have a need to use comp
dollars at the Hilton, but it's still nice to have.
However, there was no reduction of comp dollars on my
Caesars Connection card, and considering I earned most
of these comp dollars at the Hilton, I was pleasantly
surprised. The end effect was having over $300 in
comp dollars good at Caesars properties and and an
additional over $300 in comp dollars good at just the
Hilton.

Earning of cashback and comp dollars remains the same.

Hopefully, Resorts won't see any need to deter from
their plan or change the good VP and rewards for
playing at the Hilton.

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Hey there,

You DON'T use your comp $$? I have only stayed a LVH once, last Sept.
I always stayed at other places and used to slip over to LVH when I
was depressed from bad runs at my other "home base" properties. I
would cruise past the $1 and .25 progressives. If playable I would
play. If not I would play the lonely 2 loose duece quarter machines
at sports book. So I have a long history at LVH. Well last year I
stayed and this Oct I'll be back. I called the phone offer number for
information and got a real nice gal on the phone. I was just
wondering how long my comp $$ would be good. My plan was to call host
later. I needed 3 nights, out for 3 days, then back for 4 nights. I
wanted to be there for two different conventions. I thought I had to
have a host set this up. She said no problem and she took care of it.
Set up RFB and asked what else I needed. Here's the icing on the
cake. She reminded me that comp $$ will expire end of Oct. She
suggested I could bring friends to eat and use comp $$ or I could use
comp $$ in the shops. So I think I'll go shopping to the tune of $280
and my wife has about $200. Maybe I'll be a nice guy and let her use
my $$. A nice touch, the phone gal reminded me before I hung
up, "don't forget to use comp $$". It was a pleasure dealing with the
LVH phone person. So now you have a reason to use those comp $$. GO
SHOPPIN!

Cheers....Jeep
.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, P D <nsidechi@y...> wrote:

I posted this in response to a vpFREE_Chicago
discussion, but thought it might be of interest here
on the 'big board'. I was at the Hilton July 16-20.

>The new ownership had already taken over when I was
there. There were no changes in VP inventory at that
time. I talked to a couple hosts and a couple people
in marketing. They all said there are no plans to
change the VP at the Hilton. The big plans seem to be
to reconfigure the casino, add machines, re-do the
sportsbook(better lighting, individual monitors,
plasma screens, etc), bring in bigger-name
entertainment and perhaps re-do the nightclub to be a
'hipper' venue.

They all said they are determined to offer the same
comps, marketing offers, etc as they always have.

When I got my new Hilton-Resorts card, they matched my
Caesars comp dollars, but of course they are only good
at the Hilton. I hardly ever have a need to use comp
dollars at the Hilton, but it's still nice to have.
However, there was no reduction of comp dollars on my
Caesars Connection card, and considering I earned most
of these comp dollars at the Hilton, I was pleasantly
surprised. The end effect was having over $300 in
comp dollars good at Caesars properties and and an
additional over $300 in comp dollars good at just the
Hilton.

Earning of cashback and comp dollars remains the same.

Hopefully, Resorts won't see any need to deter from
their plan or change the good VP and rewards for
playing at the Hilton.

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Yes, I could go shopping, but for what? Looked in the
shops, nothing caught my eye, nothing I needed.
Bought a few little things for a gf, a few cigars,
that's about it. I did check and most of my comp
dollars are good until sometime next year. I do like
the Yves Chantre stuff, it's quality and a great deal,
but I pay cash for that because they don't accept comp
dollars.

If this gf goes with me at the end of August,
hopefully she can find some stuff she likes.

Hey there,

You DON'T use your comp $$? I have only stayed a LVH
once, last Sept.
I always stayed at other places and used to slip
over to LVH when I
was depressed from bad runs at my other "home base"
properties. I
would cruise past the $1 and .25 progressives. If
playable I would
play. If not I would play the lonely 2 loose duece
quarter machines
at sports book. So I have a long history at LVH.
Well last year I
stayed and this Oct I'll be back. I called the phone
offer number for
information and got a real nice gal on the phone. I
was just
wondering how long my comp $$ would be good. My plan
was to call host
later. I needed 3 nights, out for 3 days, then back
for 4 nights. I
wanted to be there for two different conventions. I
thought I had to
have a host set this up. She said no problem and she
took care of it.
Set up RFB and asked what else I needed. Here's the
icing on the
cake. She reminded me that comp $$ will expire end
of Oct. She
suggested I could bring friends to eat and use comp
$$ or I could use
comp $$ in the shops. So I think I'll go shopping to
the tune of $280
and my wife has about $200. Maybe I'll be a nice guy
and let her use
my $$. A nice touch, the phone gal reminded me
before I hung
up, "don't forget to use comp $$". It was a pleasure
dealing with the
LVH phone person. So now you have a reason to use
those comp $$. GO
SHOPPIN!

Cheers....Jeep
.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, P D <nsidechi@y...>
wrote:
> I posted this in response to a vpFREE_Chicago
> discussion, but thought it might be of interest
here
> on the 'big board'. I was at the Hilton July
16-20.
>
> >The new ownership had already taken over when I
was
> there. There were no changes in VP inventory at
that
> time. I talked to a couple hosts and a couple
people
> in marketing. They all said there are no plans to
> change the VP at the Hilton. The big plans seem
to be
> to reconfigure the casino, add machines, re-do the
> sportsbook(better lighting, individual monitors,
> plasma screens, etc), bring in bigger-name
> entertainment and perhaps re-do the nightclub to
be a
> 'hipper' venue.
>
> They all said they are determined to offer the
same
> comps, marketing offers, etc as they always have.

>
> When I got my new Hilton-Resorts card, they
matched my
> Caesars comp dollars, but of course they are only
good
> at the Hilton. I hardly ever have a need to use
comp
> dollars at the Hilton, but it's still nice to
have.
> However, there was no reduction of comp dollars on
my
> Caesars Connection card, and considering I earned
most
> of these comp dollars at the Hilton, I was
pleasantly
> surprised. The end effect was having over $300 in
> comp dollars good at Caesars properties and and an
> additional over $300 in comp dollars good at just
the
> Hilton.
>
> Earning of cashback and comp dollars remains the
same.
>
> Hopefully, Resorts won't see any need to deter
from
> their plan or change the good VP and rewards for
> playing at the Hilton.
>
>
>
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This was not exactly my personal experience on a very recent stay at
LVH. My comp dollars accrued at a much slower rate than on previous
visits. I have heard reports of other players earning CDs at
different rates previously, so this may not be a reflection of a new
Resorts ownership policy, but just an idiosyncracy of my comp
account.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, P D <nsidechi@y...> wrote:

Earning of cashback and comp dollars remains the same.

There shouldn't be any idiosyncracy per individual
accounts. You may want to talk to a host or slot club
rep.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, P D <nsidechi@y...>
wrote:
>
> Earning of cashback and comp dollars remains the
same.
>

This was not exactly my personal experience on a
very recent stay at
LVH. My comp dollars accrued at a much slower rate
than on previous
visits. I have heard reports of other players
earning CDs at
different rates previously, so this may not be a
reflection of a new
Resorts ownership policy, but just an idiosyncracy
of my comp
account.

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P D wrote:

There shouldn't be any idiosyncracy per individual
accounts. You may want to talk to a host or slot club
rep.

Speaking only out of pre-Resorts acq experience, RFB guests had
received a slower accrual of kiosk comp credits than non-RFB and locals.

The reasoning was that the RFB kiosk earnings were pure gravy in
addition to the pre-comped food and beverage.

- Harry

Interesting. As an RFB at the Hilton since before
they started the comp dollars, I always thought they
accumulated at a pretty generous clip. Non-RFB must
get them at a very nice rate.

P D wrote:
> There shouldn't be any idiosyncracy per individual
> accounts. You may want to talk to a host or slot
club
> rep.

Speaking only out of pre-Resorts acq experience, RFB
guests had
received a slower accrual of kiosk comp credits than
non-RFB and locals.

The reasoning was that the RFB kiosk earnings were
pure gravy in
addition to the pre-comped food and beverage.

- Harry

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P D wrote:

Interesting. As an RFB at the Hilton since before
they started the comp dollars, I always thought they
accumulated at a pretty generous clip. Non-RFB must
get them at a very nice rate.

Well, as I recall (and mind you, I'm writing based on my last trip in
December and my memory seems to fade more quickly in general with each
passing year), the RFB kiosk comp rate was about .15%. When you don't
have to use any of that for food or beverage, that's indeed generous.

But C5 and locals only receive food comps via kiosk accrual. It would
be only reasonable that they accrue more quickly.

- Harry

I agree with cmayhem2001. On our last visit, we definitely got the
feeling that Hilton points were building up much slower than before.
We were there during the first days of the new Resorts Club, July 4
weekend. At that time, none of the clerks at the club desk knew
about, or could confirm, anything. When we inquired, they repeatedly
claimed that the computer would "catch up," which of course it
didn't.

After getting nowhere at the club desk, we visited a host, who asked
us "What do you play?" We said, "Video poker." She stiffened, stood
up from her desk, and at that point we knew the discussion was over
before it started. Dismissed!

We also played at Caesars, where comps built up very fast (as usual).
I have no firm figures; it was just a strong feeling that the Hilton
shorted us significantly. As far as I know, our status has not
changed. We always use room offers which include free room and some
(not RFB) food. 4th of July was a special event, but (IMHO) no more
than the usual offers.

- bcc

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cmayhem2001" <omnibibulous1@c...>
wrote:

>
> Earning of cashback and comp dollars remains the same.
>

This was not exactly my personal experience on a very recent stay

at

LVH. My comp dollars accrued at a much slower rate than on

previous

visits. I have heard reports of other players earning CDs at
different rates previously, so this may not be a reflection of a

new

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, P D <nsidechi@y...> wrote:
Resorts ownership policy, but just an idiosyncracy of my comp
account.

My comp rate at Caesars (I'm a local) had dwindled to around 0.1% (originally it had been at least 0.7%), so I had a theory that the comp rate would diminish as your comp dollar balance built up (I had built up around $800 in comps, mostly thru LVH play prior to their sale). Used up all but $85 on Celine Dion tix and purchases and meals and such, and tried playing again yesterday. Still 0.1%. Oh, well.

John, who is running out of reasons to visit the strip.

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We also played at Caesars, where comps built up very fast (as usual). I have no firm figures; it was just a strong feeling that the Hilton shorted us significantly. As far as I know, our status has not changed. We always use room offers which include free room and some (not RFB) food. 4th of July was a special event, but (IMHO) no more than the usual offers.

I have heard reports of other players earning CDs at different rates previously,

Ouch!
VP has not been an issue in the past. Was the host heavy set or thin?
Time to play some slot machines. Need to keep them happy.
New management including a new director of hosts. The new director
probably brings new concerns to staff.
Haaljo

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "appleworks51" <appleworks51@y...>
wrote:

I agree with cmayhem2001. On our last visit, we definitely got the
feeling that Hilton points were building up much slower than

before.

We were there during the first days of the new Resorts Club, July 4
weekend. At that time, none of the clerks at the club desk knew
about, or could confirm, anything. When we inquired, they

repeatedly

claimed that the computer would "catch up," which of course it
didn't.

After getting nowhere at the club desk, we visited a host, who

asked

us "What do you play?" We said, "Video poker." She stiffened, stood
up from her desk, and at that point we knew the discussion was over
before it started. Dismissed!

We also played at Caesars, where comps built up very fast (as

usual).

I have no firm figures; it was just a strong feeling that the

Hilton

shorted us significantly. As far as I know, our status has not
changed. We always use room offers which include free room and some
(not RFB) food. 4th of July was a special event, but (IMHO) no

more

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than the usual offers.

- bcc

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "cmayhem2001" <omnibibulous1@c...>
wrote:
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, P D <nsidechi@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Earning of cashback and comp dollars remains the same.
> >
>
> This was not exactly my personal experience on a very recent stay
at
> LVH. My comp dollars accrued at a much slower rate than on
previous
> visits. I have heard reports of other players earning CDs at
> different rates previously, so this may not be a reflection of a
new
> Resorts ownership policy, but just an idiosyncracy of my comp
> account.

appleworks51 wrote:

After getting nowhere at the club desk, we visited a host, who asked
us "What do you play?" We said, "Video poker." She stiffened, stood
up from her desk, and at that point we knew the discussion was over
before it started. Dismissed!

There is some worrying anecdotal evidence that some active vp players
at LVH are drawing some uncomfortable scrutiny. My advice: Keep a
low profile.

- H.

Well, it is more than a strong feeling with me. On this visit I earned CDs at about a .17 rate earned almost exclusively playing bartop PE. I came in on a $199 3 nights and 2 Elton tix offer. On my previous stay in April I came in on the IRS Blues promotion (free with $200 cash) and earned CDs at about a .40 rate, again mostly PE. Both offers were worth about the same and I did not bring up the discrepancy with anyone. Again, I am hopeful that this is not the result of new policy, but I will read future reports with some interest.

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At 06:11 AM 8/5/2004, you wrote:

I agree with cmayhem2001. On our last visit, we definitely got the
feeling that Hilton points were building up much slower than before.
We were there during the first days of the new Resorts Club, July 4
weekend. At that time, none of the clerks at the club desk knew
about, or could confirm, anything. When we inquired, they repeatedly
claimed that the computer would "catch up," which of course it
didn't.

After getting nowhere at the club desk, we visited a host, who asked
us "What do you play?" We said, "Video poker." She stiffened, stood
up from her desk, and at that point we knew the discussion was over
before it started. Dismissed!

We also played at Caesars, where comps built up very fast (as usual).
I have no firm figures; it was just a strong feeling that the Hilton
shorted us significantly.