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Some Interesting Statistics about the Royal Flush - and multiple RFs

(It occurred to me that the statistics I posted earlier may have given
an unnecessarily pessimistic view about getting the Royal Flush, as it
did not address the possibility of getting multiple RFs - which will
sometimes happen. This has now been added.)

Recently I was asking myself questions like, "what are the odds of
hitting a Royal Flush in any given hour of play? How many hands do I
have to play, on average, to get one?"

This is going to depend, of course, on the specific game that you're
playing. Each game has its own "Royal Flush Cycle." For the
familiar 9/6 Jacks or Better, the RF Cycle is 40,390. For most other
games, it's somewhat more. But what exactly does this mean? If I
play 40,389 hands without a RF, do I say "Hot dog, I'm gonna hit
it next hand!"? Of course not – no matter what has happened in
previous hands, the odds for the next hand are the same as any other. Is
that the average number of hands I need to play to get the RF? Actually,
it's not.

The R.F. Cycle means simply this: that is the odds against hitting the
RF on any given hand. For each hand I play of 9/6 JoB (assuming proper
playing strategy, of course), the odds are 1 in 40,390 of getting the
RF. As a decimal, that number is .000024759; let's call that p. More
interesting perhaps, and surely more useful, is 1-p, the odds that I
will not get a RF. That probability is .99997524. For each subsequent
hand, we multiply that number times itself to get the odds of no RF. The
odds of not getting the RF in n hands is (1-p) raised to the power n.

When I play 1000 hands of JoB (roughly 2 hours' play), my chances
are only 2.445% that I will get at least one RF. Now let's play some
more hands, and see how that number increases, along with the
possibility of getting more than one RF:

5,000 hands = 11.644% of getting at least 1 RF; 1.356% of 2 or more

10,000 hands = 21.93% ; 4.81% of 2 or more ; 1.05% of 3 or more

15,000 hands = 31.02% ; 9.62% of 2 ; 2.98% of 3

20,000 hands = 39.05% ; 15.25% of 2; 5.95% of 3; 2.32% of 4

25,000 hands = 46.15% ; 21.30% of 2; 9.83% of 3; 4.54% of 4

30,000 hands = 52.42% ; 27.48% of 2; 14.40% of 3; 7.55% of 4

35,000 hands = 57.96% ; 33.59% of 2; 19.47% of 3; 11.29% of 4; 6.54% of
5

40,000 hands = 62.86% ; 39.51% of 2; 24.84% of 3; 15.61% of 4; 9.81% of
5

45,000 hands = 67.18% ; 45.13% of 2; 30.31% of 3; 20.37% of 4; 13.68%
of 5

50,000 hands = 71.00% ; 50.41% of 2; 35.79% of 3; 25.41% of 4; 18.04%
of 5; 12.81% of 6

60,000 hands = 77.36% ; 59.85% of 2; 46.30% of 3; 35.82% of 4; 27.71%
of 5; 21.43% of 6

70,000 hands = 82.32% ; 67.77% of 2; 55.78% of 3; 45.92% of 4; 37.80%
of 5; 31.12% of 6

80,000 hands = 86.20% ; 74.30%; 64.05%; 55.21%; 47.59%; 41.02%; 35.36%;
30.48% of 8

90,000 hands = 89.22% ; 79.60%; 71.02%; 63.36%; 56.53%; 50.43%; 45.00%;
40.15% of 8

100,000 hands = 91.59% 83.89% of 2; 64.45% of 5; 41.45% of 10; 17.26%
of 20; 7.17% of 30

125,000 hands = 95.47% 91.15% of 2; 79.31% of 5; 62.90% of 10; 31.38%
of 25; 9.84% of 50

150,000 hands = 97.56% 88.38% of 5; 78.11% of 10; 53.93% of 25; 29.08%
of 50; 15.68% of 75

200,000 hands = 99.29% 93.12% of 10; 83.68% of 25; 70.02% of 50; 49.04%
of 100; 24% of 200

So we see that it is entirely possible to play 100,000 hands or more
without getting the RF, although it is unlikely.

A very interesting number is 28,000 hands, because the probability is
almost exactly one-half that you will see the RF: 50.005%. Play another
28,000 hands (56,000 total), and the odds of not seeing the RF drop from
1 in 2 to 1 in 4. Play 28,000 more (84,000), and the odds of not seeing
it drop to 1 in 8. And it continues to fall in half each time you play
another 28,000 hands – but it never goes to zero!!

So hopefully this little exercise will help players to "set their
expectations" about their chances of getting the RF in any given
number of hands, or hours of play.

            Robert

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Something screwy is going on in your calculations for multiple RFs
below. It doesn't even pass the eye test. You can see how the
calculation you are using is breaking down as you get into the larger
number of hands. Does anyone really believe that they have a nearly
50% chance of getting 100 Royals after playing 200,000 hands?

This sort of problem is easily addressed using the Poisson
distribution. Your calculations for 1 or more Royals in a given number of
hands are accurate. Here is what I came up with. No telling if this
table will format correctly so apologies in advance. This first table
shows the probability of getting EXACTLY that number of RFs shown in
the column header for each number of hands (5,000-100,000).

Hands Expected 0 1 2 3 4 5
5000 0.123793018 88.4% 10.9% 0.7% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
10000 0.247586036 78.1% 19.3% 2.4% 0.2% 0.0% 0.0%
15000 0.371379054 69.0% 25.6% 4.8% 0.6% 0.1% 0.0%
20000 0.495172072 60.9% 30.2% 7.5% 1.2% 0.2% 0.0%
25000 0.61896509 53.9% 33.3% 10.3% 2.1% 0.3% 0.0%
30000 0.742758108 47.6% 35.3% 13.1% 3.2% 0.6% 0.1%
35000 0.866551127 42.0% 36.4% 15.8% 4.6% 1.0% 0.2%
40000 0.990344145 37.1% 36.8% 18.2% 6.0% 1.5% 0.3%
45000 1.114137163 32.8% 36.6% 20.4% 7.6% 2.1% 0.5%
50000 1.237930181 29.0% 35.9% 22.2% 9.2% 2.8% 0.7%
55000 1.361723199 25.6% 34.9% 23.8% 10.8% 3.7% 1.0%
60000 1.485516217 22.6% 33.6% 25.0% 12.4% 4.6% 1.4%
65000 1.609309235 20.0% 32.2% 25.9% 13.9% 5.6% 1.8%
70000 1.733102253 17.7% 30.6% 26.5% 15.3% 6.6% 2.3%
75000 1.856895271 15.6% 29.0% 26.9% 16.7% 7.7% 2.9%
80000 1.980688289 13.8% 27.3% 27.1% 17.9% 8.8% 3.5%
85000 2.104481307 12.2% 25.7% 27.0% 18.9% 10.0% 4.2%
90000 2.228274325 10.8% 24.0% 26.7% 19.9% 11.1% 4.9%
95000 2.352067343 9.5% 22.4% 26.3% 20.6% 12.1% 5.7%
100000 2.475860361 8.4% 20.8% 25.8% 21.3% 13.2% 6.5%

This next table shows the probability of getting the column header or
MORE number of Royals. It is easily constructed from the first table.
For example after playing 100,000 hands I have a 23.7% chance of
getting 4 or more Royals. This is seen by taking the total
probability (100%) and subtracting from it the probability of getting
exactly 0, 1, 2, and 3 Royals from the previous table. (i.e.
100%-8.4%-20.8%-25.8%-21.3%=23.7%).

Hands 1 2 3 4 5
5000 11.6% 0.7% 0.0% 0.0% 0.0%
10000 21.9% 2.6% 0.2% 0.0% 0.0%
15000 31.0% 5.4% 0.6% 0.1% 0.0%
20000 39.1% 8.9% 1.4% 0.2% 0.0%
25000 46.1% 12.8% 2.5% 0.4% 0.0%
30000 52.4% 17.1% 4.0% 0.7% 0.1%
35000 58.0% 21.5% 5.7% 1.2% 0.2%
40000 62.9% 26.1% 7.9% 1.8% 0.4%
45000 67.2% 30.6% 10.2% 2.7% 0.6%
50000 71.0% 35.1% 12.9% 3.7% 0.9%
55000 74.4% 39.5% 15.7% 5.0% 1.3%
60000 77.4% 43.7% 18.8% 6.4% 1.8%
65000 80.0% 47.8% 21.9% 8.0% 2.4%
70000 82.3% 51.7% 25.2% 9.8% 3.2%
75000 84.4% 55.4% 28.5% 11.8% 4.1%
80000 86.2% 58.9% 31.8% 13.9% 5.1%
85000 87.8% 62.2% 35.2% 16.2% 6.3%
90000 89.2% 65.2% 38.5% 18.6% 7.6%
95000 90.5% 68.1% 41.8% 21.1% 9.0%
100000 91.6% 70.8% 45.0% 23.7% 10.6%

Hope this helps.

SB

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tenore_s" <tenore_s@...> wrote:

(It occurred to me that the statistics I posted earlier may have given
an unnecessarily pessimistic view about getting the Royal Flush, as it
did not address the possibility of getting multiple RFs - which will
sometimes happen. This has now been added.)

Recently I was asking myself questions like, "what are the odds of
hitting a Royal Flush in any given hour of play? How many hands do I
have to play, on average, to get one?"

This is going to depend, of course, on the specific game that you're
playing. Each game has its own "Royal Flush Cycle." For the
familiar 9/6 Jacks or Better, the RF Cycle is 40,390. For most other
games, it's somewhat more. But what exactly does this mean? If I
play 40,389 hands without a RF, do I say "Hot dog, I'm gonna hit
it next hand!"? Of course not – no matter what has happened in
previous hands, the odds for the next hand are the same as any other. Is
that the average number of hands I need to play to get the RF? Actually,
it's not.

The R.F. Cycle means simply this: that is the odds against hitting the
RF on any given hand. For each hand I play of 9/6 JoB (assuming proper
playing strategy, of course), the odds are 1 in 40,390 of getting the
RF. As a decimal, that number is .000024759; let's call that p. More
interesting perhaps, and surely more useful, is 1-p, the odds that I
will not get a RF. That probability is .99997524. For each subsequent
hand, we multiply that number times itself to get the odds of no RF. The
odds of not getting the RF in n hands is (1-p) raised to the power n.

When I play 1000 hands of JoB (roughly 2 hours' play), my chances
are only 2.445% that I will get at least one RF. Now let's play some
more hands, and see how that number increases, along with the
possibility of getting more than one RF:

5,000 hands = 11.644% of getting at least 1 RF; 1.356% of 2 or more

10,000 hands = 21.93% ; 4.81% of 2 or more ; 1.05% of 3 or more

15,000 hands = 31.02% ; 9.62% of 2 ; 2.98% of 3

20,000 hands = 39.05% ; 15.25% of 2; 5.95% of 3; 2.32% of 4

25,000 hands = 46.15% ; 21.30% of 2; 9.83% of 3; 4.54% of 4

30,000 hands = 52.42% ; 27.48% of 2; 14.40% of 3; 7.55% of 4

35,000 hands = 57.96% ; 33.59% of 2; 19.47% of 3; 11.29% of 4; 6.54% of
5

40,000 hands = 62.86% ; 39.51% of 2; 24.84% of 3; 15.61% of 4; 9.81% of
5

45,000 hands = 67.18% ; 45.13% of 2; 30.31% of 3; 20.37% of 4; 13.68%
of 5

50,000 hands = 71.00% ; 50.41% of 2; 35.79% of 3; 25.41% of 4; 18.04%
of 5; 12.81% of 6

60,000 hands = 77.36% ; 59.85% of 2; 46.30% of 3; 35.82% of 4; 27.71%
of 5; 21.43% of 6

70,000 hands = 82.32% ; 67.77% of 2; 55.78% of 3; 45.92% of 4; 37.80%
of 5; 31.12% of 6

80,000 hands = 86.20% ; 74.30%; 64.05%; 55.21%; 47.59%; 41.02%; 35.36%;
30.48% of 8

90,000 hands = 89.22% ; 79.60%; 71.02%; 63.36%; 56.53%; 50.43%; 45.00%;
40.15% of 8

100,000 hands = 91.59% 83.89% of 2; 64.45% of 5; 41.45% of 10; 17.26%
of 20; 7.17% of 30

125,000 hands = 95.47% 91.15% of 2; 79.31% of 5; 62.90% of 10; 31.38%
of 25; 9.84% of 50

150,000 hands = 97.56% 88.38% of 5; 78.11% of 10; 53.93% of 25; 29.08%
of 50; 15.68% of 75

200,000 hands = 99.29% 93.12% of 10; 83.68% of 25; 70.02% of 50; 49.04%
of 100; 24% of 200

So we see that it is entirely possible to play 100,000 hands or more
without getting the RF, although it is unlikely.

A very interesting number is 28,000 hands, because the probability is
almost exactly one-half that you will see the RF: 50.005%. Play another
28,000 hands (56,000 total), and the odds of not seeing the RF drop from
1 in 2 to 1 in 4. Play 28,000 more (84,000), and the odds of not seeing
it drop to 1 in 8. And it continues to fall in half each time you play
another 28,000 hands – but it never goes to zero!!

So hopefully this little exercise will help players to "set their
expectations" about their chances of getting the RF in any given
number of hands, or hours of play.

            Robert

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