I've always assumed the return of a slot machine is the same whether
I play 1 coin or max coins (assuming the max coin jackpot has the
same proportions as 1 coin, eg. 800 for 1 coin and 2400 for 3
coins). Is this required by law or is it legal to "adjust" the
return (use a different mapping scheme) so 1 coin has a lower
return than max coins?
Slot Machine Question
Brumar:
Your assumption is usually not true.
1-4 coins usually return less than 800 per coin
for a royal. It is only the 5 coins that give you
800 per coin return.
Take a look carefully at the paytables.
Neil
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From: brumar_lv [mailto:brumar…@…com]
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Subject: [vpFREE] Slot Machine QuestionI've always assumed the return of a slot machine is the same whether
I play 1 coin or max coins (assuming the max coin jackpot has the
same proportions as 1 coin, eg. 800 for 1 coin and 2400 for 3
coins). Is this required by law or is it legal to "adjust" the
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Thanks for the response Neil, but I was referring to slot machines,
not VP machines.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Aggarwal" <neil@j...> wrote:
Brumar:
Your assumption is usually not true.
1-4 coins usually return less than 800 per coin
for a royal. It is only the 5 coins that give you
800 per coin return.Take a look carefully at the paytables.
Neil
Brumar:
I see. I just assumed since we are on a VP group.
My mistake.
Thanks,
Neil
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-----Original Message-----
From: brumar_lv [mailto:brumar…@…com]
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 12:19 AM
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Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Slot Machine Question--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Neil Aggarwal" <neil@j...> wrote:
> Brumar:
>
> Your assumption is usually not true.
> 1-4 coins usually return less than 800 per coin
> for a royal. It is only the 5 coins that give you
> 800 per coin return.
>
> Take a look carefully at the paytables.
>
> Neil
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I know in Mississippi that slot machines cannot legally make a
secondary decision based on the number of coins played, which means
the game would have the same return for one or more coins as long as
the payouts are proportional. Since MS gaming regulations are
generally copied from Nevada regs, I'm going to guess that this same
rule applies in Nevada.
EE
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "brumar_lv" <brumar_lv@y...> wrote:
I've always assumed the return of a slot machine is the same whether
I play 1 coin or max coins (assuming the max coin jackpot has the
same proportions as 1 coin, eg. 800 for 1 coin and 2400 for 3
coins).>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I've always assumed the return of a slot machine is the same
whether
I play 1 coin or max coins (assuming the max coin jackpot has the
same proportions as 1 coin, eg. 800 for 1 coin and 2400 for 3
coins). Is this required by law or is it legal to "adjust" the
return (use a different mapping scheme) so 1 coin has a lower
return than max coins?
no, but on m/d machines you usually ger better payoff % the higher
the denomanation ie: be better playin 1 nickle instead of 5 pennies
per line.
M J
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "brumar_lv" <brumar_lv@y...> wrote:
Mapping is separate from the number of coins used. Once the first coin is dropped or the bet one coin button is pushed I believe the RNG selects the outcome and when you oush the spin reels or pull the handle the stepper motors stop at the place decided by the RNG.
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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Slot Machine Question
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 14:38:10 -0000--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "brumar_lv" <brumar_lv@y...> wrote:
>
> I've always assumed the return of a slot machine is the same whether
> I play 1 coin or max coins (assuming the max coin jackpot has the
> same proportions as 1 coin, eg. 800 for 1 coin and 2400 for 3
> coins).>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I know in Mississippi that slot machines cannot legally make a
secondary decision based on the number of coins played, which means
the game would have the same return for one or more coins as long as
the payouts are proportional. Since MS gaming regulations are
generally copied from Nevada regs, I'm going to guess that this same
rule applies in Nevada.EE
<<Thanks for the response Neil, but I was referring to slot machines,
not VP machines.>>
I knew what you were talking about but I'm not sure of your question. Actually a slot machine does have a "paytable" and, although you can't tell the return of the machine from it like you can on a VP machine in NV, you can tell what you will get depending on how many coins you put in and what symbols appear. I cover this in detail in "More Frugal Gambling" in the slot machine chapter. But on a "straight multiplier" if you bet three coins, for example, you will get 3 times the amount you would have gotten if you put in 1 coin. On many slot machines you get a proportionally bigger jackpot for full coin, like a royal does on VP.
If this doesn't answer your question, then I didn't understand the question and perhaps you could restate it and someone else that has more experience with computers could answer it.
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But on a "straight multiplier" if you bet three coins, for example,
you will get 3 times the amount you would have gotten if you put in 1
coin.
Yes, this is the type of slot machine I was referring to ... a
straight multiplier.
My question is whether the payback percentage can legally be
different, depending on if 1, 2, or max coins are played? For
example, might the payback % be set to 88% for 1 coin, 93% for 2
coins, and 96% for 3 coins (assuming 3 coins is a max bet)? Someone
did reply to my original question that this was not legal ... the
payback must be the same on a straight multiplier no matter the
number of coins played. I've always assumed this, but have never
seen anything that explicitly makes that point. Of course, most
slots are not straight multipliers because they pay higher
(proportionally) for the top jackpot with a max bet, so clearly the
payoff % on those machines is higher for a max bet.
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