Does it ever make sense not to sign up for a slot card, considering
the prices may be reasonable enough to just pay cash for food and
drink and you don't want to be tracked by a casino for playing a
positive game, which is probably not earning any comps anyway, and
you are not planning to stay there and don't want to put in a
marathon session for a tee shirt, just a hit and run to play some
positive VP?
Thanks
Al
slot card?
It makes perfectly good sense not to sign up for a slot card, it all
depends on what you are looking for. Slot cards are a way a casino
has of getting you hooked; compare the card to the make up of a lady
of the night. Once you are in her bedroom and have paid dearly, she
can take off her wig and dentures. With a slot card a given casino
tries to allure you to play there so you can obtain a cheap t shirt
for fifty dollars, a buffet for two hundred dollars, and a room for a
night for a few thousands.
Of course, you can always win, and that is the other side of the
coin. People who look for positive machines usually get a slot card
so they can have comps, cashback and other benefits that will add to
the what they will win in the machine. This makes sense if your are
going to play a lot. Notice the phrase 'a lot'. To realize these
gains, you have to go to a casino many times and play many hours.
This is not your situation since you are talking about visiting a
casino for a hit and run encounter with a machine. In that case, why
bother with a slot card? Maybe just in places like the Station
Casinos will it sort of make sense to have a slot card for a hit and
run, since by playing with the card you might win something unrelated
to the machine you play, a prize associated with the card they call
there the Jumbo Jackpot. This is not too probable, but it is like
lotto, you got to be in it to win it, and it might happen to you
during your hit and run session. Good luck
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "westwind281wagb" <jacks1eyed@n...>
wrote:
···
Does it ever make sense not to sign up for a slot card, considering
the prices may be reasonable enough to just pay cash for food and
drink and you don't want to be tracked by a casino for playing a
positive game, which is probably not earning any comps anyway, and
you are not planning to stay there and don't want to put in a
marathon session for a tee shirt, just a hit and run to play some
positive VP?
Thanks
Al
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "superquadfullhousroyalistic"
<erchalb@c...> wrote:
It makes perfectly good sense not to sign up for a slot card, it
all
depends on what you are looking for. Slot cards are a way a casino
has of getting you hooked; compare the card to the make up of a
lady
of the night. Once you are in her bedroom and have paid dearly, she
can take off her wig and dentures. With a slot card a given casino
tries to allure you to play there so you can obtain a cheap t shirt
for fifty dollars, a buffet for two hundred dollars, and a room for
a
night for a few thousands.
Poor analogy at best. If a slot card is all it takes for an
individual to be "hooked", then I suspect they will become hooked
sooner or later with or without the slot card.
Of course, you can always win, and that is the other side of the
coin. People who look for positive machines usually get a slot card
so they can have comps, cashback and other benefits that will add
to
the what they will win in the machine.
And isn't that why most of us are here? I don't see how winning or
losing is relative to the topic.
This makes sense if your are
going to play a lot. Notice the phrase 'a lot'. To realize these
gains, you have to go to a casino many times and play many hours.
Are you trying to say a person can't win in the short term? I think
you've been hoodwinked by RS. As far as I can tell no ones' results
have ever been effected negatively by the presence of a slot card.
This is not your situation since you are talking about visiting a
casino for a hit and run encounter with a machine. In that case,
why
bother with a slot card?
Why not? Nothing you have given above would be a valid reason.
Maybe just in places like the Station
Casinos will it sort of make sense to have a slot card for a hit
and
run, since by playing with the card you might win something
unrelated
to the machine you play, a prize associated with the card they call
there the Jumbo Jackpot. This is not too probable, but it is like
lotto, you got to be in it to win it, and it might happen to you
during your hit and run session. Good luck
While I would agree that getting a slot card for a single stop at a
casino is not necessary, you've taken a postition that I don't think
has merit. Simply say the benefits received don't outweigh the time
to get the card and the potential for juck mail. That's all you
needed to say.
Dick
westwind281wagb wrote:
Does it ever make sense not to sign up for a slot card, considering
the prices may be reasonable enough to just pay cash for food and
drink and you don't want to be tracked by a casino for playing a
positive game, which is probably not earning any comps anyway, and
you are not planning to stay there and don't want to put in a
marathon session for a tee shirt, just a hit and run to play some
positive VP?
Kinda sounds like you've answered your own question, no?
As I see it, assuming modest play levels, except under the most
extreme circumstance there's little downside to signing up for a slot
card ... perhaps some unwanted mail. But the upside is that on
occasion even modest play can draw an attractive offer (or notice of a
good promotion).
Truth is, if you only anticipate modest play, it usually won't make
much difference.
- Harry
Oh dear, I have get replies to my post and the objections mentioned
are, of course, valid. Rather than reply to the replies, let me
direct you to them so that you can read other points of view.
It is true that playing very little can generate a free room
invitation. If you are searching for that, by all means join the slot
club and use the card while playing slots.
My impression when I read your post is that you don't care to become
a habitue of a casino, but rather wanted to hit and run 'and that is
it'. The last phrase is what I assumed when I read your post. In that
case, my post is valid, I would assume. The only casino that will
give you something substantial if you are lucky would be a Station
Casino with their Jumbo Jackpot. The others cashback, free rooms,
etc.
I hold to my warning that getting hooked on a slot card someplace can
lead you to gamble more than you intended for benefits that you could
get cheaply by paying. This is also true.
You know yourself, you know what you want. Please, if all these posts
are confusing, be more specific about what you ask. Tell us how much
you want to play, generally where, and what would you like for using
the slot card, minimum. Once we know this, we would be able to be
more specific in our recommendations. Remember different casinos
offer different things for their cards. Good luck.
To all who replied to my post on this, thank you for clarifying
things.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "westwind281wagb" <jacks1eyed@n...>
wrote:
···
Does it ever make sense not to sign up for a slot card, considering
the prices may be reasonable enough to just pay cash for food and
drink and you don't want to be tracked by a casino for playing a
positive game, which is probably not earning any comps anyway, and
you are not planning to stay there and don't want to put in a
marathon session for a tee shirt, just a hit and run to play some
positive VP?
Thanks
Al
Excellent response.
Regards
A.P.
···
----- Original Message -----
From: superquadfullhousroyalistic
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: slot card?
Oh dear, I have get replies to my post and the objections mentioned
are, of course, valid. Rather than reply to the replies, let me
direct you to them so that you can read other points of view.
It is true that playing very little can generate a free room
invitation. If you are searching for that, by all means join the slot
club and use the card while playing slots.
My impression when I read your post is that you don't care to become
a habitue of a casino, but rather wanted to hit and run 'and that is
it'. The last phrase is what I assumed when I read your post. In that
case, my post is valid, I would assume. The only casino that will
give you something substantial if you are lucky would be a Station
Casino with their Jumbo Jackpot. The others cashback, free rooms,
etc.
I hold to my warning that getting hooked on a slot card someplace can
lead you to gamble more than you intended for benefits that you could
get cheaply by paying. This is also true.
You know yourself, you know what you want. Please, if all these posts
are confusing, be more specific about what you ask. Tell us how much
you want to play, generally where, and what would you like for using
the slot card, minimum. Once we know this, we would be able to be
more specific in our recommendations. Remember different casinos
offer different things for their cards. Good luck.
To all who replied to my post on this, thank you for clarifying
things.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
While I would agree that getting a slot card for a single stop at a
casino is not necessary, you've taken a postition that I don't
think
has merit. Simply say the benefits received don't outweigh the time
to get the card and the potential for juck mail. That's all you
needed to say.Dick
Actually, what you eloquently and succinctly stated above is what I
tried to say. I wrote a long post because like Blaise Pascal in his
Provincial Letters, I did not have time to write a short one.
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@a...> wrote:
If you ever feel that the casino tracking your play becomes a detriment, you
always have the option of not using your card. I can think of a couple of
specific instances where I have chosen not to use one, but mostly I love to
be included in a casino's marketing campaigns and players club promotions.
I can think of no downside for myself.
Chandler
···
-----Original Message-----
From: westwind281wagb [mailto:jacks1e…@…net]
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 3:30 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] slot card?
Does it ever make sense not to sign up for a slot card, considering
the prices may be reasonable enough to just pay cash for food and
drink and you don't want to be tracked by a casino for playing a
positive game, which is probably not earning any comps anyway, and
you are not planning to stay there and don't want to put in a
marathon session for a tee shirt, just a hit and run to play some
positive VP?
Thanks
Al
vpFREE Links: http://members.cox.net/vpfree/Links.htm
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Hi Chandler,
As usual, I agree with you. I LOVE to get mail from casinos with
promotional offers. Even if I can't use them, and they wind up in
the "round file", I still enjoy receiving and reading them. I
usually get a few pieces of casino mail every week. Sometimes, the
offers influence where I will stay on my next visit.
For example, I stayed at Fiesta Rancho for 5 days in Feb. & 1 day in
March. Yesterday, I received 2 mailings from them with free
play/free night offers for April through June. In the same mail I
received a newsletter from the El Cortez (WAY DOWN from the nice
postcards that they used to send that contained free room/dinner
coupons, among other goodies) advising that they were going to
institute a free play system also. I last stayed at EC for 5 days in
Jan.
Now I have to make a decision as to where to stay for my Sept. LV
trip.
The EC comps RFB without deducting any points from my account.
They also have nice CB. They have a very good vp inventory, but no
where near as good as it used to be. Their rooms are nicer and more
spacious than FR. Downtown I can walk to other casinos if I wish.
The FR comps my room w/o point deduction, but, so far at least, I
have used points for meals. I don't think they have CB. Their
location is isolated, and, w/o a car I am pretty well committed to
staying put. They have the best vp inventory on the planet.
Decisions, decisions!
Anyway, to get back to the original thread of this post, w/o
belonging to the various card clubs, there would be no decision to
make, because I wouldn't have received any offers!
BTW, I almost always play 100%+ games (and, at least according to
BDWP, at 98-99% accuracy) the lone exceptions being 9/6DDB and
NSUD. So far, even though this info is available to the casino from
my slot card, it has not stopped the offers from coming.
I would be delighted to read any fedback about this.
Babe
If you ever feel that the casino tracking your play becomes a
detriment, you
always have the option of not using your card. I can think of a
couple of
specific instances where I have chosen not to use one, but mostly
I love to
be included in a casino's marketing campaigns and players club
promotions.
···
In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <omnibibulous1@c...> wrote:
I can think of no downside for myself.
Chandler
-----Original Message-----
From: westwind281wagb [mailto:jacks1eyed@n…]
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 3:30 AM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] slot cardDoes it ever make sense not to sign up for a slot card.......
Thanks for your kind remark.
I just found out about another soon to open casino where it would
make sense to have a slot card even for hit and run play, and that is
Wynn Las Vegas. On their Internet site they describe a free Bingo
game. The way this works is that if you have your card inserted in
the machine you are playing, they will give out periodically $10,000.
I think it would be worth getting a slot card there for the chance of
that jackpot, even if you do not gamble frequently at all.
Regards,
E
Excellent response.
Regards
A.P.
From: superquadfullhousroyalistic
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:23 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: slot card?Oh dear, I have get replies to my post and the objections
mentioned
are, of course, valid. Rather than reply to the replies, let me
direct you to them so that you can read other points of view.It is true that playing very little can generate a free room
invitation. If you are searching for that, by all means join the
slot
club and use the card while playing slots.
My impression when I read your post is that you don't care to
become
a habitue of a casino, but rather wanted to hit and run 'and that
is
it'. The last phrase is what I assumed when I read your post. In
that
case, my post is valid, I would assume. The only casino that will
give you something substantial if you are lucky would be a
Station
Casino with their Jumbo Jackpot. The others cashback, free rooms,
etc.I hold to my warning that getting hooked on a slot card someplace
can
lead you to gamble more than you intended for benefits that you
could
get cheaply by paying. This is also true.
You know yourself, you know what you want. Please, if all these
posts
are confusing, be more specific about what you ask. Tell us how
much
you want to play, generally where, and what would you like for
using
···
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Pearson" <a-p@s...> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
the slot card, minimum. Once we know this, we would be able to be
more specific in our recommendations. Remember different casinos
offer different things for their cards. Good luck.To all who replied to my post on this, thank you for clarifying
things.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Maybe but I think unless you live on Mars (or Jupiter) and have no plans to return you really should sign up For example, Sam's Town and the stations freely advertise with signs their 100% machines and expect people to play them. Most of the time the players play 2% below optimum or in wild card games, probably 3% below optimum and the casino still makes $$$$$. They could do a study over the years and see if you are an "advantage" player but it would really take a long run readout of your action (5 royal cycle minimum) to figure your skill level and the cost of doing all that wokr is probably better spent on other things by management. I am sure they are aware that some make $10/hour on quarter machines between machine advantage, cash back, and offers but I am sure that most machines return a profit to the casino as well as attract players who spend other money in the casino. Not joining a slot club is like not joining a frequent traveler program, a loss to you.
···
From: "westwind281wagb" <jacks1eyed@netscape.net>
Reply-To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] slot card?
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 09:29:31 -0000Does it ever make sense not to sign up for a slot card, considering
the prices may be reasonable enough to just pay cash for food and
drink and you don't want to be tracked by a casino for playing a
positive game, which is probably not earning any comps anyway, and
you are not planning to stay there and don't want to put in a
marathon session for a tee shirt, just a hit and run to play some
positive VP?
Thanks
Al
This may be true for the stations jumbo jackpot promo too - i don't know but if it is missing $100K becaiue of no card in?
···
From: "superquadfullhousroyalistic" <erchalb@cantv.net>
Reply-To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: slot card?
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 19:50:45 -0000Thanks for your kind remark.
I just found out about another soon to open casino where it would
make sense to have a slot card even for hit and run play, and that is
Wynn Las Vegas. On their Internet site they describe a free Bingo
game. The way this works is that if you have your card inserted in
the machine you are playing, they will give out periodically $10,000.
I think it would be worth getting a slot card there for the chance of
that jackpot, even if you do not gamble frequently at all.
Regards,
E--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Albert Pearson" <a-p@s...> wrote:
> Excellent response.
>
> Regards
> A.P.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: superquadfullhousroyalistic
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:23 PM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: slot card?
>
> Oh dear, I have get replies to my post and the objections
mentioned
> are, of course, valid. Rather than reply to the replies, let me
> direct you to them so that you can read other points of view.
>
> It is true that playing very little can generate a free room
> invitation. If you are searching for that, by all means join the
slot
> club and use the card while playing slots.
>
> My impression when I read your post is that you don't care to
become
> a habitue of a casino, but rather wanted to hit and run 'and that
is
> it'. The last phrase is what I assumed when I read your post. In
that
> case, my post is valid, I would assume. The only casino that will
> give you something substantial if you are lucky would be a
Station
> Casino with their Jumbo Jackpot. The others cashback, free rooms,
> etc.
>
> I hold to my warning that getting hooked on a slot card someplace
can
> lead you to gamble more than you intended for benefits that you
could
> get cheaply by paying. This is also true.
>
> You know yourself, you know what you want. Please, if all these
posts
> are confusing, be more specific about what you ask. Tell us how
much
> you want to play, generally where, and what would you like for
using
> the slot card, minimum. Once we know this, we would be able to be
> more specific in our recommendations. Remember different casinos
> offer different things for their cards. Good luck.
>
> To all who replied to my post on this, thank you for clarifying
> things.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]