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Skip Hughes Top 40 List

Stuart,

I assume you had permission to copy and publish copyrighted material.

Many of us willingly subscribe to the content of his site, mailing list and newsletter because the value of the information more than offsets the nominal charge. Skip puts a lot of time and effort into maintaining all of his enterprise and certainly deserves the small compensation our fees give him.

If you did not have permission, I believe you should publicly apologize and hope that you will not suffer repercussions for this violation of trust. Intellectual property is still property and belongs to the creator of the property, not those of us who pay for access.

Hopefully this egregious act of Stuart's will end the Skip Hughes bashing. If you are curious about the value of Skip's enterprise, try it out. While Tom does yeoman work on this site and has some terrific information to my mind it complements Skip's. Serious students of the game should consider membership in both. Skip's rules are uncomplicated and easily followed by those who believe in civil discourse. In fact, I wish Tom would not only moderate this forum but charge a small fee to compensate himself for all his time and effort.

Perhaps at least he can put in a rule limited Skip bashing by those who cannot show enough self-control to avoid being moderated by Skip. This self-serving crap is no more useful than Rob Singer's rants.

At least that is my 2cents.

Bill

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Here is his current list:

TOP 40 AT A GLANCE

All-

Just recently revived my membership in this forum, and I'm dismayed
(however, not too surprised) to see this flame war. In an
unmoderated forum, folks can go overboard on ANY topic.

For those interested in a synopsis of what I think about this
thread: It looks like someone grinding an axe in public.

I agree with Bill.

From a full disclosure basis, I've been a Skip subscriber for about a
year now.

Like any other good or service, I weigh the value I expect to receive
from that good or service and make my decision to either purchase/not
purchase on that basis.

Ergo, I value what Skip and the fellowship created around his site
offers. In fact, I'd pay more than the current fee, I value it so
much.

The Top 40 list has saved me time in looking for a play. There's
also a caveat acknowledging that there may be errors or if you
disagree, an email to direct your comments to.

As it relates to censorship (either real or perceived) and discourse
on his site, from what I've read PUBLICLY, I've found him to be
measured, reasoned and arguing the FACTS, although he may disagree
with them.

Perhaps in private, his comments may be more pointed and more
directed to a person, but isn't that what private conversations are
for?

Like most my opinions, I have my own leanings, but also seek to
buttress them with others' advice and experience to form what I feel
is a more balanced, informed base of knowledge. That's a big part of
my rationale subscribing to ANY VP net forum, pay or free.

Like most other topics I have an interest in, this thread would make
me ask: "What's all this fuss about? Maybe I should check it out."

Which is what I would encourage all those interested/annoyed by this
post about Skip Hughes. Check it out and FORM YOUR OWN OPINIONS!!

Over a year ago, I learned about FPVP, and one name that popped up
was Rob S. I checked out what he had to say, and through my own
experiences, plus others' opinions whom (over time) I'd come to
respect, I concluded his philosophy did measure up to my standard.

We all want to play the best VP we can, and get the most out of the
experience (whether it's comps, money, or cheap/free trips), and I
don't think ANY site addresses all those needs. They're like
buffets; you take something you like from here, something from there.

FWIW, I don't condone posting information that is clearly
copyrighted, as (in this instance), it often appears out of context
and does not convey it's original meaning. Doesn't mean I'm right,
but I feel most members of this site would feel chagrined/upset if
their work were appropriated unduly.

I'm done.

Best regards,
Jeff

PS - Just heard about the shuttle.

Stuart,

I assume you had permission to copy and publish copyrighted

material.

Intellectual property is still property and belongs to the creator

of the

property, not those of us who pay for access.

If you are curious about the value of Skip's enterprise, try it out.

Skip's rules are uncomplicated and easily followed by

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <billc140@m...> wrote:

those who believe in civil discourse.

Bill

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jwanago <jeffnem@e...>"
<jeffnem@e...> wrote:

All-

Meant it DIDN'T measure up....sorry

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Over a year ago, I learned about FPVP, and one name that popped up
was Rob S. I checked out what he had to say, and through my own
experiences, plus others' opinions whom (over time) I'd come to
respect, I concluded his philosophy did measure up to my standard.

I see Skip has Key Largo rated higher than the Plaza, Suncoast or
California. That is beyond laughable. Of course, its better than when Key
Largo was consistently rated in the top five based on six machines which
were almost never available! I don't advise playing at the Suncoast but
certainly the inventory of 9/6 JOB, NSUD and 10/7 DB combined with the
cashback and easy room comps make it a much better play than Skip's favorite
dump. He has Tuscany just one position ahead of Key Largo! What amazes
me most, is that some people actually PAY for this kind of information.

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Stay Away from the Suncoast & Save Full Pay VP

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Coleman" <billc140@mindspring.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Skip Hughes Top 40 List

Stuart,

I assume you had permission to copy and publish copyrighted material.

Many of us willingly subscribe to the content of his site, mailing list

and

newsletter because the value of the information more than offsets the
nominal charge. Skip puts a lot of time and effort into maintaining all of
his enterprise and certainly deserves the small compensation our fees give

him.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Video Poker Vegas" <vpvegas@c...>
wrote:

What amazes me most, is that some people actually
PAY for this kind of information.

The 943 subscribers to vp-mail obviously disagree with
this opinion.

I'm a charter member of the Skip Hughes Group, and have
maintained my membership (directly or indirectly) over the
years. And, I regard the vphomepage forums as a valuable
resource for the video poker community.

Hopefully we can let sleeping dogs lie, and it won't be
necessary to extend this thread any further.

Tom Sims
vpFREE Administrator

When John Kelly was in charge of vphomepage I as a visitor found the
information invaluable. The special sections for best visitor plays
and offers clued me in on where to play (and how much) in order to
get free room mailings and such. I did not renew my subscription
after John gave it up since someone apparently decided the visitor-
oriented sections were no longer important and therefore not updated.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpfreevp <vpfreevp@y...>"
<vpfreevp@y...> wrote:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Video Poker Vegas" <vpvegas@c...>
wrote:

> What amazes me most, is that some people actually
> PAY for this kind of information.

This is getting ridiculous! If you don't want to subscribe to Skip's list
then don't! In fact that would be better for those of us that do and get a
lot of valuable information from it. There are always going to be
disagreements about the rankings of casinos but that does not reduce the
value of it. There are things that I post there that I do not post here and
I am sure that is true of others.

Sylvia

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Video Poker Vegas" <vpvegas@charter.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Skip Hughes Top 40 List

I see Skip has Key Largo rated higher than the Plaza, Suncoast or
California. That is beyond laughable. Of course, its better than when Key
Largo was consistently rated in the top five based on six machines which
were almost never available! I don't advise playing at the Suncoast but
certainly the inventory of 9/6 JOB, NSUD and 10/7 DB combined with the
cashback and easy room comps make it a much better play than Skip's

favorite

dump. He has Tuscany just one position ahead of Key Largo! What amazes
me most, is that some people actually PAY for this kind of information.
     *************************************************
Stay Away from the Suncoast & Save Full Pay VP

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Coleman" <billc140@mindspring.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Skip Hughes Top 40 List

> Stuart,
>
> I assume you had permission to copy and publish copyrighted material.
>
> Many of us willingly subscribe to the content of his site, mailing list
and
> newsletter because the value of the information more than offsets the
> nominal charge. Skip puts a lot of time and effort into maintaining all

of

> his enterprise and certainly deserves the small compensation our fees

give

him.

vpFREE Home Page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE

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http://www.lvcm.com/tomesims/VP/Links.html

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

This is ridiculous!

I started this string asking if the list was free. In no way did
intend to bash Mr. Hughes!

If you want to trash Mr. Hughes please use your own subject heading.
Don't link me to these character assassinations! I resent it!!!!

hansjurgent

This is getting ridiculous! If you don't want to subscribe to

Skip's list

then don't! In fact that would be better for those of us that do

and get a

lot of valuable information from it. There are always going to be
disagreements about the rankings of casinos but that does not

reduce the

value of it. There are things that I post there that I do not post

here and

I am sure that is true of others.

Sylvia

From: "Video Poker Vegas" <vpvegas@c...>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Skip Hughes Top 40 List

> I see Skip has Key Largo rated higher than the Plaza, Suncoast or
> California. That is beyond laughable. Of course, its better than

when Key

> Largo was consistently rated in the top five based on six

machines which

> were almost never available! I don't advise playing at the

Suncoast but

> certainly the inventory of 9/6 JOB, NSUD and 10/7 DB combined

with the

> cashback and easy room comps make it a much better play than

Skip's

favorite
> dump. He has Tuscany just one position ahead of Key Largo!

What amazes

> me most, is that some people actually PAY for this kind of

information.

> *************************************************
> Stay Away from the Suncoast & Save Full Pay VP
>
> From: "Bill Coleman" <billc140@m...>
> To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 10:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Skip Hughes Top 40 List
>
>
> > Stuart,
> >
> > I assume you had permission to copy and publish copyrighted

material.

> >
> > Many of us willingly subscribe to the content of his site,

mailing list

> and
> > newsletter because the value of the information more than

offsets the

> > nominal charge. Skip puts a lot of time and effort into

maintaining all

of
> > his enterprise and certainly deserves the small compensation

our fees

give
> him.
>
>
>
> vpFREE Home Page:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vpFREE
>
> vpFREE Links:
> http://www.lvcm.com/tomesims/VP/Links.html
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sylvia Gosline" <sgosline@e...> wrote:

----- Original Message -----
> ----- Original Message -----
>
>

What sort of things do you prefer to post there rather than here, and
why? Do others who subscribe to both lists do the same? I'm considering
resubscribing.

icroyals

There are things that I post there that I do not post here and
I am sure that is true of others.

Sylvia

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I don't know about others, but I post everything to both sites. I will not generally post things learned at 1 site into another site, but things that I pick up on my own travels I make known on all boards where the postings would be of value.

Regards
A.P.

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----- Original Message -----
  From: ICRoyals
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 7:58 AM
  Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Re: Skip Hughes Top 40 List

  What sort of things do you prefer to post there rather than here, and
  why? Do others who subscribe to both lists do the same? I'm considering
  resubscribing.

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<<What sort of things do you prefer to post there rather than here, and
why? Do others who subscribe to both lists do the same? I'm considering
resubscribing.>>

I post more, and especially more specific VP information, to Skip's list, for one reason, out of sense of loyalty for all the years he and John did this for free. I put a high value on loyalty. Plus I prefer a bit of moderation, and I don't think Skip does too much of it, to cut out the few posters who only want to make trouble and send unnecessarily critical posts that start long time-wasting threads of endless argument that really do not make me a better VP player. I mostly just respond to posts here. I am not against this forum - like many people I belong to both. But you get your money's worth for Skip's.

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