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Skip Hughes Top 40 List

From: "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@lvcm.com>

When one uses the phrase "taking people's money," that implies that >they do so without giving any goods/value in return.That is VERY far >from the case in this instance.

That is in the eye of the beholder, especially the value part. A truly frugal gambler would not pay for the same information that they can get for free on several other web sites. I remember when skip's group was free and later when he had over 1,000 people on it. Now he has less than 900 and continues to drop. True, he does have a very dedicated following, but he is very restrictive about what casino topics can or cannot be discussed. And if you come up with any alternative on how to play any VP game, that helps you and may help others, and he doesn't like it, he will delete it from the archives and kill the thread. Skip is the owner and you have to play by his rules, and pay a annual fee to do it.

Granted, you can't yell fire in a crowded theatre and you should not flame someone just for the sake of doing it (being civil goes a long ways), but freedom of speech is one of the very few freedoms we have left anymore. You might not of been amused after reading the post, but others were. It was done as a humorous thought but you obviously looked at it as a flame. Skip does well in defending himself under his own name or anonymous user names that he's had on other web sites, but it always amazes me how a dedicated few will always jump to his defense, no matter what.

I have an opinion about each person who posts by what they say and how >they say it. There are some people I don't care to meet in person.

You got that right!! This we can definitely agree on.

Bob Craig
Playing VP in Nevada for over 23 years.

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I was not going to post on this thread any more, but I have this message from Skip. He does not wish to post on this forum, but I feel that he gives some facts that will answer "Brad's" and others accusations.

<<"Brad " wrote:
My views about Skip were voiced directly to him, so I am not talking
behind his back. Skip and I had it out long ago over what I viewed as
censorship on his board.>>

Skip's reply:

For the record, I have no recollection of "having it out" with Mr. Humelsine
and I doubt that I would (recall it, that is). I think the only possible
issue of censorship he could have had was a two-person thread between him and
the artist later known as Quadzilla over a lucrative play in Missouri. Mr.
Humelsine was quizzing Mr. Quadz about the details, and I sent a private note
to both of them suggesting they discuss it off-group to avoid endangering the
play. Of course it was primarily aimed at Brad, since Quadz probably didn't
want to get any more explicit, but was, I think, frustrated by Brad's
skepticism. Of course I get criticism when someone mentions a play like this,
so I will get it either way, but that's just part of the fun.<g>

That was in September 2000. Mr. Humelsine did not leave the group over this,
but did not resubscribe when his membership expired. I have a record of
sending him a form letter when he later attempted to rejoin vp-mail,
indicating that it required vphomepage subscription. Those are the only
direct communications I can find to him (and none from him). Perhaps he sent
me a fiery retort when he got that form letter. I don't know. If so, I must
have "used the delete key."

In any case, since Brad's curious, the current vp-mail membership is 944,
not 844. Not all www.vphomepage.com members are members of vp-mail. There are
a number of forums (8 currently I think) and vp-mail is just one. As you
point out, membership comparisons with VPFREE (or any other free forum) are
silly. As far as the renewal rate, I won't give exact numbers as they are
nobody's business but mine, but I think he will be surprised to know that the
renewal rate in 2002 was actually higher than in 2001. Not just the flat
numbers which are considerably higher, but the percentage (which is,
admittedly, only very slightly higher). New subscriptions have fallen a
little, though, since I lost the only two advertising sources I had (LVA and
Casino Player). I hope to remedy that soon. In fact I seem to have had
several new subscriptions since this thread started.<g>
Thanks!
Skip
http://www.vphomepage.com

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I thought that Skip should have this chance to present his side since he was personally attacked on this forum. But he, and I, are far too busy to continue in this thread any longer. Our time (and most of yours, I imagine) is more valuable for studying ways to improve our play - and to share that information with others.
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Yes, that was the circumstance that lead to my leaving. Most but not
what of what you posted from Skip was true, some things were left
out. Fine.

Jean, I find it very sad that you had to speak for Skip. I also found
it very low of him to use you as his mouth piece.

This started as a tongue in cheek piece. You raised the level of the
bar. If you were as polite, as you were bothered, you could have sent
an email directly to me. Instead you decided to scold me in public. I
will not accept that kind of treatment without defending myself. My
views about the SHG are very valid, and very true.

You are not going to shame me away from voicing my opinion, I walk
tall and stand proud.

An unrepentant sinner.

Brad Humelsine

In all my dealings with Skip over the past few years I have found him always truthful and above-board. He publicly announced after criticism that he would no longer post to this board. I assume that is why he asked Jean to post his defense. There are many others of us who would have done the same because of the respect he has earned.

You do not like him. That is fine. I did not see your attack as tongue in cheek, nor did I find it appropriate to this forum. Nor would it be appropriate for Skip to defend himself against your very public attack privately.

It might be a good idea for all of us to think before we post a flame as to whether we really want to start a war. Opinions about methods and ideas are, IMHO, fair game. Attacks on individuals are often inappropriate.

Bill

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At 11:03 AM 01/31/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Jean, I find it very sad that you had to speak for Skip. I also found
it very low of him to use you as his mouth piece.

This started as a tongue in cheek piece. You raised the level of the
bar. If you were as polite, as you were bothered, you could have sent
an email directly to me. Instead you decided to scold me in public. I
will not accept that kind of treatment without defending myself. My
views about the SHG are very valid, and very true.

You are not going to shame me away from voicing my opinion, I walk
tall and stand proud.

OK already! So WHAT ARE his Top 40? Someone's been teasing us with it for two days.
   I used vphomepage when it was free. As a newbie, I found it useful, but never saw fit to subscribe. Let's let Skip do his thing, and we'll do ours. If 942 or whatever people are willing to pay for his serivce, it must be worth something to somebody. Let's give it a rest.
   But I still want to know what the Top 40 are.

Elaine
Bill Coleman <billc140@mindspring.com> wrote:In all my dealings with Skip over the past few years I have found him
always truthful and above-board. He publicly announced after criticism
that he would no longer post to this board. I assume that is why he asked
Jean to post his defense. There are many others of us who would have done
the same because of the respect he has earned.

You do not like him. That is fine. I did not see your attack as tongue in
cheek, nor did I find it appropriate to this forum. Nor would it be
appropriate for Skip to defend himself against your very public attack
privately.

It might be a good idea for all of us to think before we post a flame as to
whether we really want to start a war. Opinions about methods and ideas
are, IMHO, fair game. Attacks on individuals are often inappropriate.

Bill

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At 11:03 AM 01/31/2003 +0000, you wrote:

Jean, I find it very sad that you had to speak for Skip. I also found
it very low of him to use you as his mouth piece.

This started as a tongue in cheek piece. You raised the level of the
bar. If you were as polite, as you were bothered, you could have sent
an email directly to me. Instead you decided to scold me in public. I
will not accept that kind of treatment without defending myself. My
views about the SHG are very valid, and very true.

You are not going to shame me away from voicing my opinion, I walk
tall and stand proud.

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People must continue to scold you as your poorly reasoned posts
continue to pile up haphazardly. You & MR 23 yrs of VP really are out
of touch or inaccurate to an alarming degree.
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wrote:

Yes, that was the circumstance that lead to my leaving. Most but

not

what of what you posted from Skip was true, some things were left
out. Fine.

Jean, I find it very sad that you had to speak for Skip. I also

found

it very low of him to use you as his mouth piece.

This started as a tongue in cheek piece. You raised the level of

the

bar. If you were as polite, as you were bothered, you could have

sent

an email directly to me. Instead you decided to scold me in public.

I

will not accept that kind of treatment without defending myself.

My

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views about the SHG are very valid, and very true.

You are not going to shame me away from voicing my opinion, I walk
tall and stand proud.

An unrepentant sinner.

Brad Humelsine

But I still want to know what the Top 40 are.

  Elaine

  Maybe you can read this info from your Tarot cards?

  Matt

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The Top 40 List is not just a list of 40 casinos but in-depth information about each of them.

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Matt-
   I just HAVE them. I don't know how to read them.

Elaine

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Matt <thebat@snet.net> wrote:

  Elaine

  Maybe you can read this info from your Tarot cards?

  Matt

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The Top 40 List is not just a list of 40 casinos but in-depth

information about each of them.

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I wish queen of comp would give us more information about top 40 , VP
software and Las Vegas Advisor !

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@l...> wrote:

haddadzadeh2000 wrote:

I wish queen of comp would give us more information about top 40 , VP
software and Las Vegas Advisor !

What do you say we use "h2000's" post as an opportunity to transform
this lame thread into something beneficial (not to mention something a
little more positive and pleasant to follow)?

I'm not Jean, nor anywhere near the educator that she is, but let me
share my experience on the subjects h2000 touches on:

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Skip Hughes Group forum: Some people are going to find it worth the
subscription fee ($55 I think), others not, depending upon their
focus. I think the relatively light recreational player will find the
value it provides may be a bit short of the subscription fee, although
it might be justified sheerly as a fascinating read. However, I think
it's indispensible as a resource to anyone who commits a significant
amount to their gambling bankroll (say, someone willing to risk up to
$500 or more on a casino trip). (And I would ask that we not debate
my statements, just offer some brief pertinent anecdotal evidence if
you disagree. No rambling discourse on any one statement, please.)

The contributors there are a very experienced bunch who generally have
was greatly valued attribute in common: they're willingness to share
that experience and knowledge gained with those newer to the casino
scene. I find the insights and wisdom posted there to be reliable and
well worth the time to read. The group is moderated by Skip and some
have taken exception to his occasional exercise of that role, however,
I personally find that it's generally reasonably executed. (Others
disagree and I respect that. Let's not debate this one, ok?)

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Top 40 Rankings: Part of the SHG subscription, this list provides
information on the best machines available at the top casinos (type,
denomination, and frequently location and numbers) along with basic
info on cashback, comps, and amenities and user friendliness of casino
personnel (esp. hosts). On an admittedly subjective basis (although
as close to objective one as can be reasonably managed) the casinos
are ranked on these aspects. Ratings more heavily weigh aspects of
appeal to low and mid-rollers than those for high-rollers.

A personal anecdote: At New Year's we stayed at Paris where we
understand that they inventoried $1 JB machines. When we hit the
floor we were stymied in our attempt to locate them. We scoured the
casino and only became more and more frustrated. So, off to an
internet cafe on the strip where we consulted the Top 40 database and
in a flash we found the problem: The multigame bank is boldly labeled
Paris Blackjack, and in fact every player we found there was playing
video blackjack. My wife was particularly impressed and remarked that
we had just justified the subscription fee for the next 5 years.

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Other SHG info: The Top 40 is accessed via a website at
vphomepage.com . Other vp summaries located there include: News -
flashes/updates on some of the latest LV promos); Visitors - a
separate listing/ranking of the best plays for an out-of-towner such
as myself; Locals - you guessed it; Strategies - for the most popular
games the Game Analysis from winpoker and a strategy table from vp
strategy master are reproduced along with some practical game
comments; Casinos in other regions - a cursory summary/ranking of
properties in various localites; Full Pay game inventories - a
detailed summary of full pay games available in each casino across the
country (reservation casinos largely excluded).

See why I find the subscription a real value?

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Software: The two hottest software products are Bob Dancer presents
winpoker (BDPW) and Frugal VP (FVP). Very briefly, BDPW has been the
historic mainstay. However FVP is a real challenger and is superior
for the new learner and advanced player in some respects (however, a
new version of BDPW is on the way which may very well up the ante).

FVP introduces a play mode that won't flag or account for errors that
involve penalty consideration - play aspects that involve very small
errors that the learner is best advised to ignore. This can be
achieved in part by tweaking the settings in BDPW but FVP makes this a
no brainer and a breeze.

FVP will print game strategies, a feature not present currently in
BDPW. Others report that the resulting output is quite readable. (I
haven't availed myself of this feature).

FVP also introduces some advanced analysis capabilities, including the
ability to tweak a game strategy and determine what the resulting
affect on return is. In the one instance where I had a desire to do
this, the modifications I wanted to make were not easily accomodated.
However, it's still a fascinating feature.

I find a couple of downsides in my own experiences with FVP use (but
be mindful that they represent the experience of only one person and I
haven't seen others comment similarly). I find the graphics quite
uncomfortable and strongly prefer those of BDPW. In addition, I find
the menu layout through which you access various features distinctly
non-intuitive, but I'm gradually coming to grip with them.

Bottom line: For myself, I expect that I will continue to take
advantage of the best of each product and would be a bit loathe to
generally recommend one over the other.

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Las Vegas Advisor: An indispensible tool for the local, quite
valuable for the occasional visitor. I opt for the internet only
version and in the words of Carrot Top "save a few bucks".
Subscription includes a coupon book which can pay for the fee with use
of only one or two coupons.

The link here to the free weekly update will give you a modest taste
of what to expect from your subscription.

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So, Jean, how'd I do as a substitute teacher? (or should I stick to
financial analysis?)

- Harry

<<So, Jean, how'd I do as a substitute teacher? (or should I stick to
financial analysis?)>>

You done good!!!! And saved me a lot of time which I don't have!!!!

Thanx!!!!

I would like to emphasize that FVP takes the place of 2 other software programs, WinPoker and Strategy Master. Both of those programs are very good and I used them for years. Dean and Tomski are my good friends and I admire their mathematical/computer skills greatly.

However, I feel that FVP is a "frugal" choice since you get the best of both of those programs, at a price that is lower than buying both of them. Plus you get many extra new features, like figuring sequentials and figuring the percentage that slot club points add to the return of VP games. Plus, as Harry mentions, it has a mode that will not gig you on minor errors, for those who want a simpler strategy that loses you very small value - plus a perfect-play mode for those who enjoy penalty cards.

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____________________
Jean $cott - "The Frugal Gambler"
Order autographed book, cassette tape, and the new
   Frugal VP software at http://www.frugalgambler.biz
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