short term all luck
long term all skill
M J Perry
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From: "M J Perry" <mklpryy24@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 7:14 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] skill/luck
short term all luck
long term all skill
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How many short terms does it take to equal one long term?
All of them.
Really?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, M J Perry <mklpryy24@y...> wrote:
short term all luck
long term all skill
M J Perry
Does that mean that the sum of my luck equals my total skill? I am
wondering were I can practice being lucky.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Lawrence Boxer" <ljboxer@e...> wrote:
> How many short terms does it take to equal one long term?
All of them.
>
> > How many short terms does it take to equal one long term?
>
> All of them.Does that mean that the sum of my luck equals my total skill? I am
wondering were I can practice being lucky.
Staying alive is excellent practice. ; )
Jack: While I won't discuss the issue here, you may go to my site www.vptruth.com , go to and click on ARTICLES at the top of the home page, and go to the column for Feb. 08 - VP: Why We All Only Really Play In Short Term Sessions. You'll see what makes sense to me.
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----- Original Message -----
From: jack
How many short terms does it take to equal one long term?
In my experience, it seems clear that anyone can have short
term luck. As to whether you end up ahead over time, it seems to me
this is based more on the skill of how you choose to play your
hands. Obviously nothing is guaranteed but the longer you play
optimally, the better chance you have of getting ahead. And playing
each hand to the best of your ability correctly gives you the best
chance of doing that.
I would say that it's the small hands (ie the ones you play to
complete straights, flushes, even the junk hands etc.) that
ultimately will make the most difference over time, as well as the
pay schedule of the game you choose to play. The reason for this is
that most hands you play are not ones you go for the royal, straight
flush or other large payoffs, if you play optimally. Of course I
make playing mistakes, but I'm good enough at this point at the
games I play that it doesn't have a huge effect on my overall return.
Tomski once posted on the old vpheaven something to the effect
that he once had run a simulation where he had not held any cards,
just redrew each hand. Don't remember how many hands were simulated
(quite a few, I'm sure) but his results were a payback of 2-3% if my
memory serves me correctly (if Tomski reads this, he can certainly
correct me). His conclusion was that vp is a game of skill 97-98%
of the time. Some of the skill is elementary, some is more
difficult, and some is quite non-intuitive, depending on which game
you're playing.
This exact point was illustrated to me recently after
participating in a vp tournament last week at a casino near my home
in the midwest. There were six participants in our 5 minute session
on ten play machines, double bonus game. You played as fast as you
could for the session; there was no limitation on your hands
played. The lady sitting next to me pounded away on her draw
button, treating it just like it was a slot tournament. I'll bet
she got in more total hands than anyone else, but she finished dead
last. I would venture to guess she would finish last most of the
time with that strategy. She probably had never played vp before.
After playing vp for over eight years as a fun hobby, I can't
agree with those who say it's all luck or just a little skill. I
would estimate I play several hundred thousand hands per year. I'm
ahead for my eight year "session" thus far but wasn't until the past
two years. Certainly I couldn't make a living on what I've won, but
it has made for inexpensive vacations, free rooms, food etc. Will
it last? I don't know, but I will continue to play optimally and
enjoy our vacations until such time that the house edge is such that
it won't be fun anymore.
How many short terms does it take to equal one long term?
short term today
long term til death do we part
M J Perry
From: "M J Perry" <mklpryy24@y...>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 7:14 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] skill/luck> short term all luck
> long term all skill
> M J Perry
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Lawrence Boxer" <ljboxer@e...>
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> > How many short terms does it take to equal one long term?
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> All of them.Does that mean that the sum of my luck equals my total skill? I am
wondering were I can practice being lucky.
bob dancer winpoker or Jean Scott frugal vp ( i think that is the
name} the better i get , the luckier i get
M J Perry
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