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SIT OR QUIT?

#1

Greetings

I will take the liberty to advance the theory that most recreational VP
players have the goal of both winning and playing as long as they so choose
on each trip...and of course being entertained in the process.

What follows is a situation that has happened to me time on occasion. I
start off playing off the slot dollars that I have coming to me. Lo and
behold I am up a substantial amount and I have not even touched my bankroll.
What to do? Should I take the money and run...or just keep on playing till I
tire? Well I played until I gave back all I had won including the slot
dollars and quit for a bite to eat.

Still with the desire to play after eating I quickly surrendered by
complete stash in seemingly short order. I did double my bets on the last hundred
trying to get that get even hand. It does work sometimes!

As a student of the game I know in actuality it does not matter how long I
play or when I quit the results of my bottom line will not be effected in
"The Long Run"..right?

However there is a psychological drain that seems to want to take hold of
a loosing session..especially when it started off so promising.

Ralph Gary

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#2

I am of the mind set that you quit if you get ahead because of the feeling you have described. Playing again is always an option. This also forms a habit that quitting is positive action. I am a rec. player and I know that pro's must continue to play a good pay schedule until they are too tired. An old gambler told me "you will never be a winner if you don't quit while you are ahead". He also said that they will be rolling the dice and playing these machines after you are dead.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, BANDSTAND54@... wrote:

Greetings

I will take the liberty to advance the theory that most recreational VP
players have the goal of both winning and playing as long as they so choose
on each trip...and of course being entertained in the process.

What follows is a situation that has happened to me time on occasion. I
start off playing off the slot dollars that I have coming to me. Lo and
behold I am up a substantial amount and I have not even touched my bankroll.
What to do? Should I take the money and run...or just keep on playing till I
tire? Well I played until I gave back all I had won including the slot
dollars and quit for a bite to eat.

Still with the desire to play after eating I quickly surrendered by
complete stash in seemingly short order. I did double my bets on the last hundred
trying to get that get even hand. It does work sometimes!

As a student of the game I know in actuality it does not matter how long I
play or when I quit the results of my bottom line will not be effected in
"The Long Run"..right?

However there is a psychological drain that seems to want to take hold of
a loosing session..especially when it started off so promising.

Ralph Gary

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#3

Skillful gambling takes an extraordinary amount of self-discipline.

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#4

I use the Fibonacci Retracement Ratio of 61.8%

#5

A Saturday visit to Barona at midday was ok but a bit crowded for my taste. Weekdays seem to be much better.

I last described a good VP bank near the gift shop and secondary slot club that was still there. It does not pre-hold the hand and it has $1, $2 and $5 games. I played $9/6 and again saw the DB 10/7 but with that slightly less 239 straight flush.

I recommend for light eaters the soup/sandwich combination in the coffee shop. It includes a choice of fruit skewer, fries, coleslaw, soup of the day and a good variety of sandwiches. The price range was about $7-$8.

I still marvel that Barona has extensive land surrounding the buildings that lend to the serenity and beauty of the drive.
Put Barona on your list if in the San Diego area.

Anteroz

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#6

This should have been on a separate thread...
but I agree, Barona is one of, if not THE best casino in California (Personally, I rank it even higher than a lot of Reno/Vegas Casino's!)>

#7

"but I agree, Barona is one of, if not THE best casino in California (Personally, I rank it even higher than a lot of Reno/Vegas Casino's!)>"

Wow, I just don't see it. I admit I was only there once, but it struck me as crowded, dirty, and smoky on the day I was there. It didn't help that I lost on every machine I tried to play either, lol. And all of that after an incredibly long drive as it's somewhat in the middle of "nowhere".

Maybe sometime I'll give it another try....but Pechanga and/or Pala seemed much better to me in general.

Valerie

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#8

Interesting info re Barona.

Any further info re rooms, comps, casino, entertainment or other stuff from players perspective?

I see on their website BD says the VP is cool.

Really still alot of okay VP there as per vpfree2?

Slant top or bar top?

Non smoking?

I went there once years ago when they were still in big tents. LOL

Steve

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "TIMSPEED" <corvetteracing87@...> wrote:

This should have been on a separate thread...
but I agree, Barona is one of, if not THE best casino in California (Personally, I rank it even higher than a lot of Reno/Vegas Casino's!)>

#9

Here's something you already know: casinos tend to be more "likeable" when we win. I recall a time when Harrahs Las Vegas had 10/7 DB on 2 (and only 2) of its machines. I won and didn't think the place was bad at all. Now, with slim VP pickings and vastly more upscale competition surrounding it the casino merely seems creepy.

I had a similar reaction to yours (regarding Barona) with Valley View which I posted on the vpFREE California site a few months ago.

Luck is different for each of us. I was never successful at either Wynn or Encore on many trips even with their full-pay abundance a few years ago. Others did great there but never won at Venetian where I prospered before they demolished their point system. All that any of us can do is keep exploring. Eventually you'll find luck and opportunity out there somewhere.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Valerie Pollard" <vpollard@...> wrote:

"but I agree, Barona is one of, if not THE best casino in California (Personally, I rank it even higher than a lot of Reno/Vegas Casino's!)>"

Wow, I just don't see it. I admit I was only there once, but it struck me as crowded, dirty, and smoky on the day I was there. It didn't help that I lost on every machine I tried to play either, lol. And all of that after an incredibly long drive as it's somewhat in the middle of "nowhere".

Maybe sometime I'll give it another try....but Pechanga and/or Pala seemed much better to me in general.

Valerie

#10

Skillful gambling takes an extraordinary amount of self-discipline.

I've always said it is very boring if you are doing it right and very exciting if you are doing it wrong.

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#11

Funny how differently non-progressive players see things from progressive players.

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@> wrote:
Skillful gambling takes an extraordinary amount of self-discipline.

In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
I've always said it is very boring if you are doing it right and very exciting if you are doing it wrong.

Playing high progressives takes no self-discipline whatsoever. You play when they are high and cash-out when they get hit. It's so black & white, personal choice never enters into it. I have never thought to myself, even once, should I leave or should I go. It just doesn't come up.

And since you don't really get the option of playing incorrectly (you could play at too low a number) it is always boring. Profitable, but boring.

~Choice is the sweet icing we use to wrap the bitter cake of fate.

~Frank Kneeland, former manager of the largest Vegas slot team and Author of The Secret World of Video Poker Progressives--A History and How-To of Video Poker Slot Teams in Las Vegas. www.progressivevp.com

#12

<<Playing high progressives takes no self-discipline whatsoever. You play when they are high and cash-out when they get hit. It's so black & white, personal choice never enters into it. I have never thought to myself, even once, should I leave or should I go. It just doesn't come up.>>

Frank, you are describing extreme self-discipline exactly. I know many many gamblers who had the knowledge and the skill in various gambling areas - but failed because of a lack of self-discipline. For example, the live poker genius who blows his profits at the crap table. The VP player who know the best games and the right strategies for them - but can't resist going to the slots. Some would say this is just a difference in goals. And I have said often that not everyone has to have a goal to make money at gambling. Entertainment value is the goal for most gamblers.

But we are talking about my statement: Skillful gambling takes an extraordinary amount of self-discipline.

And by skillful I mean here, making a profit. And to make long-term profit gambling you have to exercise extreme self-discipline constantly!!! What game to play? When to play it? Start time? Finish time? What to do when you can't find an advantage play? What changes to make when your bankroll amount changes? Avoid going "on tilt." Etc., etc., etc. Scores of decisions even if you play only occasionally. Thousands of decisions if you play regularly.

AND IT IS NEVER EASY!!!!!!!!

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http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/