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Singer revisited

Why is it "reasonable" to expect someone to train you and then get
nothing from you in return?

Most of us don't work for free and I wouldn't expect Rob Singer to,
either.

Why is it "reasonable" to expect someone to give you a portion
of their gambling winnings just because you are watching them play?

Most of us don't give away money just like that and I wouldn't expect
Rob Singer to, either.

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On 9/11/07, 2-WILD <lucky4K@msn.com> wrote:

I'm sure Dick will be along shortly, but maybe the following will
help. Con-men (like Rob) absolutely love open-minded persons like
yourself, but I sense you are not convinced from reading his posts on
this forum that he is the scum of the earth.

Try this: arrange a training session with him. Of course you'll
want to insist on using your own card and be upfront that you will
not be tipping him (Rob abhors tipping) or giving him a percentage of
your win. And surely you will want to see him perform a
demonstration using his own money. Afterall, he's got plenty of
money and is a prohibitive favorite to have even more after one of
his sessions. Perhaps he will even share some of his winnings with
you as a gesture of goodwill.

These are all reasonable requests for anyone but a con-man.

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>
> --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
> <robsinger1111@> wrote:
> > > Sorry, but unless you can prove the money did NOT come from

your

> con
> > > then you have nothing to stand on. Deposits after accepting

money

> > > teaching your system is a much more likely scenario than your
> winning.
> >

Dick: I would just like to say something here. After seeing talk

about

the Singer Strategy and all the controversy I went to the VPtruth
website and checked it out.
First of all I want you to know that I am a VPfree member and I am

not

part of the Rob Singer controversy. I am not familiar with what is
going on between the 2 of you. And by no means am I being

encouraged to

post this by ANYONE.
After I did check out Rob's site(which I found interesting), I

emailed

Rob with some questions, he has alway responded promptly with

advice or

answers. I am open minded enough to look at the other's views on

things

beyond the typical AP strategies. Rob even offered to send me his

book

at no charge, which I accepted and it showed up promptly at my

home.

Rob has never asked for a dime from me, but has alway taken the

time to

answer questions without asking for anything in return. Now I am

not

saying the Singer System is or isn't for me. But what I am saying

is

that you keep referring to Rob as a con. A con that doesnt ask for
anything in return, doesnt sound like a con to me. Bob

A con man never asks for anything immediately.

Dick

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bobby G" <Concretbob@...> wrote:

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rgmustain" <rgmustain@> wrote:

When the training is simply teaching someone how to lose money I guess
I would say "yes", they should give you something :wink:

Dick

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Curtis Rich" <LGTVegas@...> wrote:

Why is it "reasonable" to expect someone to train you and then get
nothing from you in return?

Singer piqued my interest when I read what he had to say about
subprograms kicking in when min/max machine based accumulated payouts
are reached. However, any possible credibility he had was undermined
by the nonsense on vptruth.com.

e.g. Changing your holds based on goal cashout. What a bunch of
hogwash!

Yes it is. Not only that but the secondary programming is specifically
diallowed by the NV gaming regulations.

Singer attempts to portray himself as a person with inside information.
It's all lies and part of his con.

Dick

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "sjs5572z" <sjs5572@...> wrote:

Singer piqued my interest when I read what he had to say about
subprograms kicking in when min/max machine based accumulated payouts
are reached. However, any possible credibility he had was undermined
by the nonsense on vptruth.com.

e.g. Changing your holds based on goal cashout. What a bunch of
hogwash!

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111" <robsinger1111@...>
wrote:

Yeah right. You lie about whatever you can come up with about me,

If anyone wants to see what a hypocrite Rob is check out his latest
article.

http://www.vptruth.com/articlesdetail.cfm?Counter=390

In it Rob goes on about a mythical friend named Mick Rostaine. Once you
read the column it is obvious he is referring to me (who else plays a
game where "jacks-are-wild"?). Of course, the whole column is pure
fiction. Isn't it interesting that he is so jealous of my success in
figuring out his con that he had to make up such a silly column. Not
only that, but he had to hide behind fictional names and events.

I thought it was great given Rob's quote above about coming up with
lies.

Dick, er... is that Mick ??

rgmustain wrote:

In it Rob goes on about a mythical friend named Mick Rostaine. Once
you read the column it is obvious he is referring to me (who else
plays a game where "jacks-are-wild"?).

Give him credit for employing a tiny bit of subtlety. If he really
wanted to show his hand the friend would have been named "Muck Disdain" :wink:

- H.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

rgmustain wrote:
> In it Rob goes on about a mythical friend named Mick Rostaine. Once
> you read the column it is obvious he is referring to me (who else
> plays a game where "jacks-are-wild"?).

Give him credit for employing a tiny bit of subtlety. If he really
wanted to show his hand the friend would have been named "Muck

Disdain" :wink:

The amazing thing about this little piece of fiction is that Rob is
only providing more evidence to those of us who know he is a liar and
con man. He claims to never lie, but does it here in such an obvious
way that it is beyond any doubt.

Dick

Oh goodie--I get one more shot in before leaving for our 3-week trip
tomorrow!

Harry, you know better than to ask Dick to give me credit! That would
be like him asking his wife to live a life sans video poker, and it
ain't gonna happen with addicts who moved to LV because they have no
control over their pathological gambling problem.

On a related note, look back over this and other forums' history and
you'll see where Dick proclaims never to have gone to my site and how
he won't "waste his time" doing it. Golly gee....he's really making it
easy to spank his peepee in public this time! I got some good articles
coming up too. Don't miss 'em! Then Dick can make believe he's the star
in those too!!!

BTW--I'm asking for more fish for my "con". Just bring about $100,000
and meet me at Az. Charlie's on Boulder Oct. 24th @ 11am. Let me see if
I got this right: You play, if you win I get 50%, and if you lose you
pay me $10,000. Did I get that right Dick?? Oh, and I'll be sure to
withdraw $57k before leaving Phoenix and re-deposit that plus the extra
so I can make up that I won it!! Then I can make up a casino
contemporaneous record, report the pay as winnings so I can pay tax on
it, and have it available in case of any audits.

In the "I like it!" section....Your hero, Jean Scott, one week explains
how she and her live-in lover are compelled to play the triple & five-
play $5 machines, then the next she's not all that interested any
longer as she's now in the running for "humanitarian of the year". If
you're a winning player you'll get that! If not, consider yourself once
again suckered into her web of nonsense.

God Bless The Great GWB!! Imagine what Meldrone will feel as the
country continues on with Republican leadership in Nov. '08!!

Yikes--I gotta GO!

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...>
wrote:

rgmustain wrote:
> In it Rob goes on about a mythical friend named Mick Rostaine. Once
> you read the column it is obvious he is referring to me (who else
> plays a game where "jacks-are-wild"?).

Give him credit for employing a tiny bit of subtlety. If he really
wanted to show his hand the friend would have been named "Muck

Disdain" :wink:

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- H.

I missed this one and his words of wisdom.

There are no "subprograms" in vp and Dick will gladly tell you they are
not allowed. Everything required to meet Nevada Gaming Regulations -
including deals/draws to comply with the min/max state-mandates hold
percentages - are included in the single program that runs the game.
And to clarify/correct Dick's past irresponsible "teachings" here and
on vp.com, any machine that employs more than one game or that utilizes
more than one pay table for any particular game (because of
denomination) incorporates the appropriate number of programs to run
those games independently of all the others. Why people may listen to
this corrupt bozo, I'll never know. And by "corrupt" I mean he only
writes that which justifies his and his poor wife's continued casino-
going when he knows she'd be far better off involved in healthier
activities, and his inherent inability to accept the truth about the
game because it would put his entire video poker-playing life into
tilt. When someone has nothing else in life to look forward to, this
type of degenerative insanity is indicative of the definition
of "sadness" when discussing gambling problems.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "sjs5572z" <sjs5572@...> wrote:

Singer piqued my interest when I read what he had to say about
subprograms kicking in when min/max machine based accumulated payouts
are reached. However, any possible credibility he had was undermined
by the nonsense on vptruth.com.

e.g. Changing your holds based on goal cashout. What a bunch of
hogwash!

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

Oh goodie--I get one more shot in before leaving for our 3-week

trip

tomorrow!

The best news I've heard today.

Harry, you know better than to ask Dick to give me credit! That

would

be like him asking his wife to live a life sans video poker, and it
ain't gonna happen with addicts who moved to LV because they have

no

control over their pathological gambling problem.

On a related note, look back over this and other forums' history

and

you'll see where Dick proclaims never to have gone to my site and

how

he won't "waste his time" doing it. Golly gee....he's really making

it

easy to spank his peepee in public this time! I got some good

articles

coming up too. Don't miss 'em! Then Dick can make believe he's the

star

in those too!!!

Hmmmm. Let's see ... someone sends me a PM telling me there's an
article about me on Rob's site. I wonder who wouldn't go read it?
And, I'm glad I did since it demonstrates ONCE AGAIN that Rob will
lie about the simplest things. Just what does that mean about
important things ... well I think that's pretty obvious.

BTW--I'm asking for more fish for my "con". Just bring about

$100,000

and meet me at Az. Charlie's on Boulder Oct. 24th @ 11am. Let me

see if

I got this right: You play, if you win I get 50%, and if you lose

you

pay me $10,000. Did I get that right Dick?? Oh, and I'll be sure to
withdraw $57k before leaving Phoenix and re-deposit that plus the

extra

so I can make up that I won it!! Then I can make up a casino
contemporaneous record, report the pay as winnings so I can pay tax

on

it, and have it available in case of any audits.

Nice try to cloud the truth. It's never worked for you in the past so
why do you think it will work now?

In the "I like it!" section....Your hero, Jean Scott, one week

explains

how she and her live-in lover are compelled to play the triple &

five-

play $5 machines, then the next she's not all that interested any
longer as she's now in the running for "humanitarian of the year".

If

you're a winning player you'll get that! If not, consider yourself

once

again suckered into her web of nonsense.

Here's where Rob shows is unending jealousy of successful VP players.
He wears that jealousy on his sleeve so anyone with minimum of
intelligence can see it. Another post from Robbie that just made my
day.

Dick

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

I missed this one and his words of wisdom.

There are no "subprograms" in vp and Dick will gladly tell you they

are

not allowed. Everything required to meet Nevada Gaming Regulations -

including deals/draws to comply with the min/max state-mandates

hold

percentages - are included in the single program that runs the

game.

I love it when Robbie shows his stupdity. Read the regulation, moron.
Here is what it states:

"Each possible permutation or combination of game elements which
produce winning or losing game outcomes must be available for random
selection at the initiation of each play."

"Must display an accurate representation of the game outcome. After
selection of the game outcome, the gaming device must not make a
variable secondary decision which affects the result shown to the
player."

Read it and weep, loser. The point is there is no secondary decision
that can be made. This is often referred to as "secondary
programming" and has nothing to do with "subprograms". If only you
could see what a fool you make out of yourself with your uneducated,
idiotic ramblings.

And to clarify/correct Dick's past irresponsible "teachings" here

and

on vp.com, any machine that employs more than one game or that

utilizes

more than one pay table for any particular game (because of
denomination) incorporates the appropriate number of programs to

run

those games independently of all the others.

Yep, that's true. Are you feeling more foolish now??? You'd think he
would have learned in our previous discussions that he has no chance
debating FACTS with me. I have no agenda other than the TRUTH while
it's so obvious that anyone who would print such nonsense must have a
BIG agenda … it's called a con.

Why people may listen to
this corrupt bozo, I'll never know.

You know perfectly well. They listen to me to get the TRUTH.

And by "corrupt" I mean he only
writes that which justifies his and his poor wife's continued

casino-

going when he knows she'd be far better off involved in healthier
activities, and his inherent inability to accept the truth about

the

game because it would put his entire video poker-playing life into
tilt. When someone has nothing else in life to look forward to,

this

type of degenerative insanity is indicative of the definition
of "sadness" when discussing gambling problems.

Yawn, same old Singer BS. Nothing original ever comes out of his
mouth. Oh, and Rob just so you know, I'm up over $15K at those Indian
casinos that you claim no one can win at. I'm ahead for the year
again, and I will keep on winning playing positive opportunities. You
can lie all you want but that is the TRUTH about VP.

Dick

Yup! I'd say Dick was just a tad bit ruffled--judging by the agitated tone and awkward appearance of his two gem-laced posts. Notice how he clings to wording obtained from Internet searches and hasn't the ability to overcome the nervous posturing he's always burdened with by using his head when it comes to debating me. Too bad my friend. You spend the better part of every day either in a casino or trolling video poker sites. No wonder your children don't want you around. And to top all your embarrassment off, I make a fool of you wherever you go by reporting the Undeniable Truth. God I love this life.....
   
  Oh--and guess why he doesn't even try to "set the record straight" when it comes to the selfish, disrespectful and disgustingly demeaning way he's treated his poor addicted wife by dragging her illness in and out of casinos. Although those with her ailment are told not to subject themselves to a smokey environment, his and her addictions overcome any sensible reasoning.
   
  Yes siree!! We certainly have one fabulous winner here--up $15k at Indian casinos, up this year with all the creative valuation of comps he can muster.....and WAY up in the "Honey, you're doing it MY way or it's the HIGHway" torture department.
   
  I've said the only two types of people I despise are child molesters and terrorists. People who can do this to another human being aren't far behind on anyone's list. I will say a prayer for her today before we leave. Not that it'll do any good because they'll just run back into the casino again in an attempt to make believe this beating never happened.
   
  Mercy!!

          --- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "robsinger1111"
<robsinger1111@...> wrote:

I missed this one and his words of wisdom.

There are no "subprograms" in vp and Dick will gladly tell you they

are

not allowed. Everything required to meet Nevada Gaming Regulations -

including deals/draws to comply with the min/max state-mandates

hold

percentages - are included in the single program that runs the

game.

I love it when Robbie shows his stupdity. Read the regulation, moron.
Here is what it states:

"Each possible permutation or combination of game elements which
produce winning or losing game outcomes must be available for random
selection at the initiation of each play."

"Must display an accurate representation of the game outcome. After
selection of the game outcome, the gaming device must not make a
variable secondary decision which affects the result shown to the
player."

Read it and weep, loser. The point is there is no secondary decision
that can be made. This is often referred to as "secondary
programming" and has nothing to do with "subprograms". If only you
could see what a fool you make out of yourself with your uneducated,
idiotic ramblings.

And to clarify/correct Dick's past irresponsible "teachings" here

and

on vp.com, any machine that employs more than one game or that

utilizes

more than one pay table for any particular game (because of
denomination) incorporates the appropriate number of programs to

run

those games independently of all the others.

Yep, that's true. Are you feeling more foolish now??? You'd think he
would have learned in our previous discussions that he has no chance
debating FACTS with me. I have no agenda other than the TRUTH while
it's so obvious that anyone who would print such nonsense must have a
BIG agenda … it's called a con.

Why people may listen to
this corrupt bozo, I'll never know.

You know perfectly well. They listen to me to get the TRUTH.

And by "corrupt" I mean he only
writes that which justifies his and his poor wife's continued

casino-

going when he knows she'd be far better off involved in healthier
activities, and his inherent inability to accept the truth about

the

game because it would put his entire video poker-playing life into
tilt. When someone has nothing else in life to look forward to,

this

type of degenerative insanity is indicative of the definition
of "sadness" when discussing gambling problems.

Yawn, same old Singer BS. Nothing original ever comes out of his
mouth. Oh, and Rob just so you know, I'm up over $15K at those Indian
casinos that you claim no one can win at. I'm ahead for the year
again, and I will keep on winning playing positive opportunities. You
can lie all you want but that is the TRUTH about VP.

Dick

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rgmustain <rgmustain@att.net> wrote:

---------------------------------
Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.
Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Rob Singer <robsinger1111@...>
wrote:

Yup! I'd say Dick was just a tad bit ruffled--judging by the

agitated tone and awkward appearance of his two gem-laced posts.
Notice how he clings to wording obtained from Internet searches and
hasn't the ability to overcome the nervous posturing he's always
burdened with by using his head when it comes to debating me. Too bad
my friend. You spend the better part of every day either in a casino
or trolling video poker sites. No wonder your children don't want you
around. And to top all your embarrassment off, I make a fool of you
wherever you go by reporting the Undeniable Truth. God I love this
life.....

Translation: Rob has nothing to counter my factual data except to run
off at the mouth ... again. LMAO.

  Oh--and guess why he doesn't even try to "set the record

straight" when it comes to the selfish, disrespectful and
disgustingly demeaning way he's treated his poor addicted wife by
dragging her illness in and out of casinos. Although those with her
ailment are told not to subject themselves to a smokey environment,
his and her addictions overcome any sensible reasoning.

Yawn. Rob keeps making a fool out of himself by demeaning someone he
doesn't even know.

  Yes siree!! We certainly have one fabulous winner here--up $15k

at Indian casinos, up this year with all the creative valuation of
comps he can muster.....and WAY up in the "Honey, you're doing it MY
way or it's the HIGHway" torture department.

Cash only. The comps are always extra. But hey, keep up the jealous
posts Robbie. I love it when you show everyone how much you envy my
life.

  I've said the only two types of people I despise are child

molesters and terrorists. People who can do this to another human
being aren't far behind on anyone's list. I will say a prayer for her
today before we leave. Not that it'll do any good because they'll
just run back into the casino again in an attempt to make believe
this beating never happened.

   
  Mercy!!

Actually, you've demeaned just about every group one can mention ...
especially VP players. Claiming otherwise here makes you even more of
a hypocrite then you've already demonstrated.

Now enjoy you 3 weeks off knowing that I've made you look foolish for
the umpteenth time.

Dick