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#1

I think her point was that we should not begrudge VP professionals their
'advertising' tag line. The folks who want to stop that little bit of 'free'
advertising don't seem to comprehend the obvious: take that away and the pros
have little incentive to share their knowledge. Without the "few free golden
nuggets" that Jean, Bob, Dan, Skip, et al share, this list would quickly be
reduced to the types of questions that can be answered by looking at the
database. Except, of course, the posts that update the database would decrease
too. Bottom line - nothing in life is free - vpFREE is not free - it simply
does not cost the members MONEY.

In a message dated 12/21/2005 5:13:16 PM Pacific Standard Time,
vpvegas@charter.net writes:

If one chose to block those individuals who post for profit, how would we be
able to find the few free golden nuggets that they leave now and then?

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#2

ezfromnwon@aol.com wrote:

Bottom line - nothing in life is free - vpFREE is not free - it
simply does not cost the members MONEY.

I suppose reasons can be manufactured why vpFREE isn't free,
such as you need a computer to participate and computers cost
money to own and operate etc. - but in the broadest sense of
the word I consider vpFREE to be free.

Why do you say that vpFREE isn't free?

vpFae

#3

vpfae asked: Why do you say that vpFREE isn't free?

The question was addressed to someone else, but I'd like to toss out a
few possible answers. In general, most video poker competition is player
versus player, not player versus casino. When a few players know
something that others don't, that information is quite valuable. When
the knowledge is widely disseminated, that removes most of the advantage
from the players who had the information first. Specifically,

1. There are casino lurkers on vpFREE (who are officially welcome
according to vpFREE rules and frequently not appreciated by players.)
Discussions here can lead to changes not enjoyed by player-members of
vpFREE.

2. The game between players and casinos is somewhat of a
cat-and-mouse variety. To the extent that vpFREE is successful in
educating its members, this changes the dynamics of the equilibrium
between players and casinos. In reaction, casinos tighten their games.

3. There are a lot of plays that individual players would rather
keep secret. Once the secrets get exposed, the plays often get killed
quickly because of overexposure.

        i would call these things real costs that would not be present
if vpFREE (and other such forums --- even the fee ones) didn't exist.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

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#4

There are often/usually costs associated with most
things, but free is free, and IMO vpFREE is free.

Of course there are pluses and minuses to vpFREE (and
to most things, including commercial video poker products
and free seminars), but I thought that the poster might
have something else in mind about why free isn't free.

And, there's another side(s) to some of the points that you
cite below.

vpFae

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vpFae wrote:

<<< I suppose reasons can be manufactured why vpFREE isn't free,
such as you need a computer to participate and computers cost
money to own and operate etc. - but in the broadest sense of
the word I consider vpFREE to be free.

Why do you say that vpFREE isn't free? >>>

Bob Dancer replied:

<<<< The question was addressed to someone else, but I'd like to toss
out a few possible answers. In general, most video poker competition is
player versus player, not player versus casino. When a few players know
something that others don't, that information is quite valuable. When
the knowledge is widely disseminated, that removes most of the
advantage from the players who had the information first. Specifically,
  
1. There are casino lurkers on vpFREE (who are officially
welcome according to vpFREE rules and frequently not appreciated by
players.) Discussions here can lead to changes not enjoyed by player-
members of vpFREE.

2. The game between players and casinos is somewhat of a
cat-and-mouse variety. To the extent that vpFREE is successful in
educating its members, this changes the dynamics of the equilibrium
between players and casinos. In reaction, casinos tighten their games.

3. There are a lot of plays that individual players would rather
keep secret. Once the secrets get exposed, the plays often get killed
quickly because of overexposure.

i would call these things real costs that would not be present
if vpFREE (and other such forums --- even the fee ones) didn't
exist. >>>>