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Silverton Ending Video Poker Classes

#1

I've been recently informed that Silverton no longer is
interested in holding free video poker classes after the current
semester ends on August 21.

  The last three classes, all free and on Tuesday are:

  August 7 Kings or Better Joker Wild Beginner 10 a.m.
--- Intermediate noon
  August 14 What video poker players should know about slot
clubs --- one class only beginning at 10 a.m.
  August 21 Secrets of a video poker winner --- one class
only beginning at 10 a.m.

  The "Bob Dancer Approved" signs will be coming down at the end
of the semester. Whether the pay schedules on those machines will
continue the same or not is their choice --- but I strongly suspect the
good games will be going away.

Bob Dancer

For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com

#2

That sucks. Just when I started talking with my old host making plans
to start going back there again. Good thing I haven't booked anything
yet. I'll take a wait and see attitude for now. Thanks for the report.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

  I've been recently informed that Silverton no longer is
interested in holding free video poker classes after the current
semester ends on August 21.

  The last three classes, all free and on Tuesday are:

  August 7 Kings or Better Joker Wild Beginner 10 a.m.
--- Intermediate noon
  August 14 What video poker players should know about slot
clubs --- one class only beginning at 10 a.m.
  August 21 Secrets of a video poker winner --- one class
only beginning at 10 a.m.

  The "Bob Dancer Approved" signs will be coming down at the end
of the semester. Whether the pay schedules on those machines will
continue the same or not is their choice --- but I strongly suspect the
good games will be going away.

Bob Dancer

For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com

#3

Will the 8/21 class educate the group on the fine points of getting a
casino to offer you your very own $5 9-6 Jacks with, say, a 12,000
coin royal? Dude, I gotta hear that story now and don't feel like
waiting 6 months to read about it in Strictly Slots lol...

I mean, I thought I was pretty good at working the deal, but I can't
touch that. Maybe I should start writing books myself!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

  I've been recently informed that Silverton no longer is
interested in holding free video poker classes after the current
semester ends on August 21.

  The last three classes, all free and on Tuesday are:

  August 7 Kings or Better Joker Wild Beginner 10 a.m.
--- Intermediate noon
  August 14 What video poker players should know about slot
clubs --- one class only beginning at 10 a.m.
  August 21 Secrets of a video poker winner --- one class
only beginning at 10 a.m.

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paladingaming.net

#4

Paladin wrote: Will the 8/21 class educate the group on the fine points
of getting a casino to offer you your very own $5 9-6 Jacks with, say, a
12,000 coin royal? Dude, I gotta hear that story now and don't feel like
waiting 6 months to read about it in Strictly Slots lol...

Some of your facts are wrong. The $5 game in Indiana was better than 9/6
Jacks and the royal was higher than $70,000, not the mere $60,000 you
imply. You won't find it in Strictly Slots, but the entire story will be
found in the September Casino Player. I'm assuming the article will be
posted here in three weeks by vpfae. Should that not happen, I'll post
the article myself. CP pays me for first run articles and I'm not going
to violate that by posting it here first.

And yes, I've spoken about it in a few of my classes and will probably
mention it on 8/21.

Tell you what, Paladin. Since you've been such a great admirer and
supporter of my career (wink, wink), if you send me a private email with
your real name, I'll be happy to send you the entire article ASAP. Is
that fair or what?

Bob Dancer

For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com

#5

Naahh...as they say on an old '60s British TV show, that.....would be
telling. I can wait for the story, thanks.

I didn't have the entire story, all I know it was an individual
progressive, which you hit at $70K, which I assume you had played
maybe half to a full cycle. I was also told the machine was locked up
for you, but it's probably better to let you explain that. A
Midwesterner tipped me off to it, which led to a phone call to another
Midwesterner, who admittedly didn't have all the facts. But I must
say, I'm truly impressed (and you must admit I do call them as I see
them).

At $32K or so, NSUD becomes a better play than the Jacks. I was told
you could play NSUD or the Jacks (as another Midwestern casino known
for its $5 progressive also offers).

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

Paladin wrote: Will the 8/21 class educate the group on the fine points
of getting a casino to offer you your very own $5 9-6 Jacks with, say, a
12,000 coin royal? Dude, I gotta hear that story now and don't feel like
waiting 6 months to read about it in Strictly Slots lol...

Some of your facts are wrong. The $5 game in Indiana was better than 9/6
Jacks and the royal was higher than $70,000, not the mere $60,000 you
imply. You won't find it in Strictly Slots, but the entire story will be
found in the September Casino Player. I'm assuming the article will be
posted here in three weeks by vpfae. Should that not happen, I'll post
the article myself. CP pays me for first run articles and I'm not going
to violate that by posting it here first.

And yes, I've spoken about it in a few of my classes and will probably
mention it on 8/21.

Tell you what, Paladin. Since you've been such a great admirer and
supporter of my career (wink, wink), if you send me a private email with
your real name, I'll be happy to send you the entire article ASAP. Is
that fair or what?

_______________________________________________________________________

paladingaming.net

#6

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"
<paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

At $32K or so, NSUD becomes a better play than the Jacks. I was told
you could play NSUD or the Jacks (as another Midwestern casino known
for its $5 progressive also offers).

I had it backwards. At $32K, the Jacks passes the NSUD.

#7

Paladin wrote: I had it backwards. At $32K, the Jacks passes the NSUD.

Paladin is assuming/speculating that I had a choice between $5 9/6 Jacks
and NSU DW. That was not the case.

Bob Dancer

For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com

#8

I earlier wrote: Paladin wrote: I had it backwards. At $32K, the Jacks
passes the NSUD.
Paladin is assuming/speculating that I had a choice between $5 9/6 Jacks
and NSU DW. That was not the case.

Rereading the thread, I likely just mistated Paladin's assumption.
Earlier I wrote that the game I was playing was better than 9/6 Jacks. I
didn't write here that it was NSU, but it was.

Paladin wrote that at a certain level, 9/6 Jacks becomes a more
lucrative game than NSU --- which is true because the royal cycle is
much shorter.

On the actual machine, 9/6 Jacks wasn't available. Had it been, I would
have played it in preference to NSU. Paladin's point remains valid (and
instructive to many here) whether or not the game was available on the
particular machine I was playing.

Bob Dancer

For a 3-day free trial of Video Poker for Winners, the best video poker
computer trainer ever invented, go to //www.videopokerforwinners.com

#9

>
> Some of your facts are wrong. The $5 game in Indiana was better

than 9/6

> Jacks and the royal was higher than $70,000, not the mere $60,000

you

> imply. You won't find it in Strictly Slots, but the entire story

will be

> found in the September Casino Player. I'm assuming the article

will be

> posted here in three weeks by vpfae. Should that not happen, I'll

post

> the article myself. CP pays me for first run articles and I'm not

going

> to violate that by posting it here first.
>
> And yes, I've spoken about it in a few of my classes and will

probably

> mention it on 8/21.
>
> Tell you what, Paladin. Since you've been such a great admirer and
> supporter of my career (wink, wink), if you send me a private

email with

> your real name, I'll be happy to send you the entire article

ASAP. Is

> that fair or what?

Paladin wrote:

Naahh...as they say on an old '60s British TV show, that.....would

be

telling. I can wait for the story, thanks. I didn't have the entire

story, all I know it was an individual

progressive, which you hit at $70K, which I assume you had played
maybe half to a full cycle. I was also told the machine was locked

up

for you, but it's probably better to let you explain that. A
Midwesterner tipped me off to it, which led to a phone call to

another

Midwesterner, who admittedly didn't have all the facts.

I had some open time on my calendar in late June and decided to head
up to Chicago to pickup some free cash in Joliet before proceeding on
to Majestic Star to hit them on their new member promo (which was
worth about 1%, give or take a couple tenths, depending on BB).

Upon arrival, I made my usual "tour of duty" throughout both boats.
As I was I was patrolling the old Trump boat I observed the machine
in question, a single line with $5 NSUD and a RF over $70K. I
stopped dead in my tracks and proceeded to start punching buttons on
the menu to figure out if I was missing something. Nope, wasn't
missing anything...except about another $10-$15K in my pocket to ride
out the waves of variance. I gawked at it for another minute,
wishing I had the funds, then moved on to the Super Aces on the other
boat. Silly me...I should've locked down the machine, gotten on the
horn and rounded up some troops that were within a couple hours. Bob
arrived shortly after I passed and took it down. Live and
learn.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@> wrote:

#10

Could someone please expand on the statement below? Am I just not seeing the forest for
the trees? At what point does 9/6 Jacks become more lucrative than NSUD and why?

Not having followed this thread, the answer may already be in earlier messages. A reference
to the "answer" would be just as valuable as the answer itself.

Thanks!

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

Paladin wrote that at a certain level, 9/6 Jacks becomes a more
lucrative game than NSU --- which is true because the royal cycle is
much shorter.

#11

Thanks for the clarification. One source told me it was NSU, the other
Jacks. I assumed both were on the machine, but it's been several years
since I was in Chicago.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

I earlier wrote: Paladin wrote: I had it backwards. At $32K, the Jacks
passes the NSUD.
Paladin is assuming/speculating that I had a choice between $5 9/6 Jacks
and NSU DW. That was not the case.

#12

bornloser1537 wrote:

At what point does 9/6 Jacks become more lucrative than NSUD and why?

The scenario generally under consideration is one in which 9/6 Jacks
and NSUD are resident on the same machine and pay from the same RF
progressive meter.

At a 4000 credit reset, it's a no-brainer that NSUD has a higher
return. As value is added to the RF meter, recognize that the RF
contributes more to the JB game return than to NSUD. This is a
consequence of a higher royal cycle in NSUD. Thus, when you divide
the meter advance over total wagers during a RF cycle, the meter
advance adds greater value to the JB game (given a smaller wager
during the cycle).

As you should now see, there is some point in the meter advance where
the greater value added to JB vs. that to NSUD will result in overall
JB game ER surpassing that of NSUD.

When you make allowance for appropriate strategy adjustments to
optimize game return as the RF value advances, the point at which the
two games have equivalent return is a meter of roughly 6460 credits
(an advance of 2460 over reset). At higher meters than this, Jacks
has the stronger return.

- Harry

#13

DUH! Did not think about progreesives! Sorry!

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

The scenario generally under consideration is one in which 9/6 Jacks
and NSUD are resident on the same machine and pay from the same RF
progressive meter.

- Harry