I've been playing 9/7 double bonus, which has a return of 99.11,
according to Frugal. I discovered dollar machines that have 10/7
double bonus (239 instead of 250 for SF and certain four of a kinds).
The expected return on these dollar machines, playing single coin, is
also 99.11. I've decide to play one dollar instead of the 5 quarters
to lower the variance. Considering only these two options, have I
missed anything or is this a logical alternative? Obviously 5 coins in
the dollar machine is best, but I'm ruling that out.
Short pay as good as full pay?
I believe your strategy changes significantly without the bonused royal. It
might be like learning a separate game.
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On 3/10/08, natrotter <trotter726@verizon.net> wrote:
I've been playing 9/7 double bonus, which has a return of 99.11,
according to Frugal. I discovered dollar machines that have 10/7
double bonus (239 instead of 250 for SF and certain four of a kinds).
The expected return on these dollar machines, playing single coin, is
also 99.11. I've decide to play one dollar instead of the 5 quarters
to lower the variance. Considering only these two options, have I
missed anything or is this a logical alternative? Obviously 5 coins in
the dollar machine is best, but I'm ruling that out.
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I've been playing 9/7 double bonus, which has a return of 99.11,
according to Frugal. I discovered dollar machines that have 10/7
double bonus (239 instead of 250 for SF and certain four of a
kinds).
The expected return on these dollar machines, playing single coin,
is
also 99.11. I've decide to play one dollar instead of the 5
quarters
to lower the variance. Considering only these two options, have I
missed anything or is this a logical alternative? Obviously 5
coins in
the dollar machine is best, but I'm ruling that out.
Without the full paytable it's a bit difficult to say anything
concrete ... but. First, I would compare the payback of the non-RF
hands and determine your expected loss while waiting for a RF. That
will tell you just how much you've lowered the volatility (which is
what I think you are trying to do). Also, I would ask myself how I
really felt about missing the $1000 when I get that first RF.
Finally, as mentioned before, make sure you are comfortable with any
strategy changes.
Dick
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "natrotter" <trotter726@...> wrote:
natrotter wrote:
I've been playing 9/7 double bonus, which has a return of 99.11,
according to Frugal. I discovered dollar machines that have 10/7
double bonus (239 instead of 250 for SF and certain four of a
kinds).
The expected return on these dollar machines, playing single coin,
is also 99.11. I've decide to play one dollar instead of the 5
quarters to lower the variance. Considering only these two options,
have I missed anything or is this a logical alternative? Obviously 5
coins in the dollar machine is best, but I'm ruling that out.
In general, I would deem this reasonably "logical". As you note,
playing the 10/7 paytable with a shorted RF payout as roughly the same
return as the standard 9/7 paytable. (I expect that the 239
substituion for 250 cr payout only applies to a 5 credit wager and
isn't a consideration for your proposed 4 credit wager.)
Playing a game with an equivalent ER to another, but a lower variance
(a consequece of less return tied up in the RF and greater return in
more reliably occurring hands), should mean that your bankroll will
more reliably see you through a given amount of play -- making it a
smarter choice, all other things equal.
However, as has been separately pointed out, the ER you're looking at
for 10/7 DB with the shorted royal presumes a strategy that reflects
the lower paying royal. It's worth learning the appropriate strategy
adjustments. I don't think that they're sizable -- mostly involving
cases where you would hold 3 cards to a Fl where otherwise you might
hold just 2 cards to a RF.
You can get a feel for the strategy shift through extended computer
practice of the adjusted paytable, or use any of the programs that
provide detailed game strategies to determine the changes involved.
After I return home tomorrow I'll try to remember to take a look at
what your 10/7 return is if you simply apply standard strategy to the
play. I expect it will be modestly lower and it might still be
reasonable to go with the 10/7 paytable even in absence of strategy
adjustment, assuming that the greater prospect for bankroll
preservation holds value for you. (Someone else may wish to calculate
this for you as well.)
A secondary consideration, also separately noted, is that the 10/7
machine may be assigned a lower rating than the 9/7, meaning that
you'll earn lower benefits such as cb/comps. That's a distinct
possibility if you play in a casino where these benefits vary machine
to machine. In absence of solid information, I can't provide specific
input; obviously if the difference is substantial, that could be
reason to stick with the 9/7 machine.
- Harry