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#21

That means you pretty much adjust your strategy to ignore everything but the
royal. So, very roughly a $25,000 per hour opportunity? Is my math right?
LOL Good thing she wasn't playing short coin;-)

Chandler

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<mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
"nightoftheiguana2000"
> <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:

The base game looks like 6/5 Bonus Poker (-3%), the

royal resets at
$800 so ($1,000,000/$800) -1 is an overlay of 1250
royals, that's
about +2,500%, you would get some more juice with
royal only strategy ...

What is Royal Stratergy???
Nick

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#22

I'll apologize in advance if this turns out to be a double post. I
hit "send" and my connection went down...

I'm not a pro, I'm a recreational player -- however, I'm playing to
win because that's more fun than loosing :slight_smile:

My position has changed over the past year. For what it's worth here
it is:

1. I will report all changes in casino inventories that I become
aware of, as long as those changes aren't clearly casino mistakes.

2. If I find a casino mistake that creates an excellent play I will
keep it to myself or share it with a limited number of like-minded
people.

This is consistent with the rules of this forum: FAQ 60, "Every
vpFREE member is expected to report all attractive games that they
find, unless they believe it is a casino mistake and they wish to
protect it for their own personal use."

This seems like a reasonable rule for members of a group that exists
to share information. Share all the "normal" changes you find, but
it's OK to keep the one-of-a-kind plays to yourself.

Mac
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#23

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
<nightoftheiguana2000@...> wrote:

>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nightoftheiguana2000"
> <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you think the overlay was on this game:
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFj_1F6R52s
> >
> I don't know if this case has been settled yet but I believe the

lady

> has a case. This comes from what I read in Robert Nersessians

book,

> Beat the Player. He went over one case where someone hit a
> progressive four-of-a-kind on a 50 cent bonus poker game(memory

hazy

> as to whether it was bonus poker) in a strip casino and it

flashed up

> as a $5,000,000 jackpot.
>
> The case went way up the due process chain. There was some kind

of

> upper-limit liability involved. Eventually the casino was

ordered to

> pay $99,999.99.
>
> Nercessian pointed out, in his book, that a "malfunction" and
> a "misprogram" are not the same thing. And that the casinos are
> responsible for programming their machines correctly.
>
> BTW, how big of an overlay is that?

The base game looks like 6/5 Bonus Poker (-3%), the royal resets at
$800 so ($1,000,000/$800) -1 is an overlay of 1250 royals, that's
about +2,500%, you would get some more juice with royal only

strategy ...

The jackpot in question was for a generic four-of-a-kind, not a
royal, that showed $252 in the meter but the machine locked up and
showed a $5,000,000 jackpot on the screen.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:

#24

Seems ballpark right. I was thinking the cycle on royal only strategy
is about 25,000 hands: $1,000,000/25,000 = $40/hand.

That means you pretty much adjust your strategy to ignore everything

but the

royal. So, very roughly a $25,000 per hour opportunity? Is my math

right?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chandler" <chandler_re@...> wrote:

LOL Good thing she wasn't playing short coin;-)

Chandler

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> <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com,
> "nightoftheiguana2000"
> > <nightoftheiguana2000@> wrote:
The base game looks like 6/5 Bonus Poker (-3%), the
> royal resets at
> $800 so ($1,000,000/$800) -1 is an overlay of 1250
> royals, that's
> about +2,500%, you would get some more juice with
> royal only strategy ...

What is Royal Stratergy???
Nick

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#25

OK, I gotcha, gee, quad only strategy, I really don't know, I'll take
a wild guess at a cycle of 400: $5,000,000/400 = $12,500/hand.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

The jackpot in question was for a generic four-of-a-kind, not a
royal, that showed $252 in the meter but the machine locked up and
showed a $5,000,000 jackpot on the screen.

#26

I just dug the book out to make sure I had the facts right.
Nercessian discusses this case on pages 224/225. He describes the
machine involved as a "$.50 three-way progressive video poker
machine." For plagiarism reasons these are not his exact words but
words to the effect.

If a larger than expected jackpot is caused by a programming error by
a slot tech, it is not a malfunction. And this is exactly what the
Nevada Gaming Control Board ruled.

When the dispute occurred the patron involved called Gaming and his
lawyer in. It came out in the hearings that the slot tech simply
made an egregious error in programming the jackpot for the four-of-a-
kind. It should have been reset at $250 but instead the programmer
reset it at $5,000,250.

There was an upper limit safety that limited the jackpot liability to
$99,999.99. NGCB ruled that the computer and game performed exactly
as it was designed and programmed to do. Consequently, pay
up.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

>
The jackpot in question was for a generic four-of-a-kind, not a
royal, that showed $252 in the meter but the machine locked up and
showed a $5,000,000 jackpot on the screen.

#27

nightoftheiguana2000 wrote:

The base game looks like 6/5 Bonus Poker (-3%), the
royal resets at $800 so ($1,000,000/$800) -1 is an overlay
of 1250 royals, that's about +2,500%, you would get some
more juice with royal only strategy ...

Chandler wrote:

That means you pretty much adjust your strategy to
ignore everything but the royal. So, very roughly a $25,000
per hour opportunity? Is my math right?

nightoftheiguana2000 wrote:

I was thinking the cycle on royal only strategy
is about 25,000 hands: $1,000,000/25,000 = $40/hand.

I ran the $1,000,000.82 jackpot BP game through my analyzer:

The Royal Flush cycle is 23,095 hands
The return is 4,378.2184% (before cash back)
The variance is a bit high at 43,297,045.3870
The strategy is beautifully simple:

- Royal Flush
- Four to a Royal Flush
- Three to a Royal Flush
- Four Aces
- Two to a Royal Flush
- Straight Flush (A2345 thru 6789T only)
- Four 2's thru K's (cannot have 2 to a Royal)
- Three Aces (cannot have 2 or 3 to a Royal)
- Ace, Jack, Queen or King (in that order of preference)
- Full House (cannot have 2 to a Royal)
- Ten
- Flush (highest card 9 or less)
- Three 2's thru 9's
- Straight (23456 thru 56789 only)
- Four to a Straight Flush (no gaps, 2345 thru 6789 only)
- Discard everything

#28

That would be terrible.

..... bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc" <paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

Some of you out
there might catch on to why we do what we do, which costs me
expectation in the long run.

#29

And if you were smart, you probably consulted the vpFREE database at least
that once prior to venturing out into the land of the 3 eyed fish as it was
unfamiliar territory to you. Maybe picked the brains of a few vpFREE
contributors, even. And that is good. That is what the database and this
list is here for. I know the person responsible for the database at
Majestic is a very sharp guy and has done an excellent job of keeping an up
to date inventory, not to mention administrative and coordinating efforts of
vpFAE and company. I suspect a lot of other very serious APs use this
list and the database at least occasionally as well. My point is just that
this thing we call vpFREE doesn't work without the majority of participants
adding at least as much as they take away. Too many parasites on a host and
the host dies.

Chandler

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DW1000 wrote: I wish after some of these are over, a few would get
explained as to
how they are so lucrative. I don't want any secrets given out, but a
few examples (maybe even hypothetical) would be enlightening.
Especially to a non-Vegas person.

Last year in Casino Player I wrote about a $5 NSU game at Majestic Star
with a $70,000 royal. While that is "only" 5% and you seem to only be
interested in 6% and greater advantages, it was still a relevant
example. Since there was only one machine, for damn sure I wasn't going
to tell anybody before I hit the royal.

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#30

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tralfamidorgooglycrackers"
<tralfamidorgooglycrackers@...> wrote:

One famous disaster at Tuscany, where any final hand of 4RF (loser)

was

hand-paid 100 coins. With strategy adjustments, this was over 6%.

I stumbled onto this promotion a little too late. Everything had been
disqualified except $.50 denom and lower. I found a couple of friends
banging away on the bartops but figured the play was all but over and
didn't get involved. I was right. It ended the next day.

As I remember the strongest game was 10/7. I'd have to do a little
math work to zero in on it, but off the top of my head, in order to
turn a 10/7 into 106% you would have to pick up the 20 bets (100 coins)
about every 340 games. I don't think you are going to make RF4s(loser)
anywhere near that frequency.

#31

I have never personally seen an 8% play, but 8% is just a number that
doesn't mean a lot without putting it into context. What effort is required
to exploit it? What is the risk? What is expectation per hour? It goes
without saying that if a game is easy to play, has little risk and a high
return, it is unsustainable in the real world.

Chandler

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bdancer@...> wrote:

DW1000 wrote: I wish after some of these are over, a few would get
explained as to
how they are so lucrative. I don't want any secrets given out,

but a

few examples (maybe even hypothetical) would be enlightening.
Especially to a non-Vegas person.

Last year in Casino Player I wrote about a $5 NSU game at Majestic

Star

with a $70,000 royal. While that is "only" 5% and you seem to only

be

interested in 6% and greater advantages, it was still a relevant
example. Since there was only one machine, for damn sure I wasn't

going

to tell anybody before I hit the royal.

Bob Dancer

No, I am not hung up on those percentage, I was just asking for some
after the fact examples of good plays or even hypothetical In your
example above, was that a mistake or a progressive?

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#32

What is $18K per hour between friends;-) I knew my estimate was going to be
pretty far off. It's always low when progressives on the riyal get high and
this one is about as high as it gets. It was just the best I could manage
while doing it in my head. Someone save a seat for me the next time this
meter gets juicy;-)

Chandler

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nightoftheiguana2000 wrote:

The base game looks like 6/5 Bonus Poker (-3%), the
royal resets at $800 so ($1,000,000/$800) -1 is an overlay
of 1250 royals, that's about +2,500%, you would get some
more juice with royal only strategy ...

Chandler wrote:

That means you pretty much adjust your strategy to
ignore everything but the royal. So, very roughly a $25,000
per hour opportunity? Is my math right?

nightoftheiguana2000 wrote:

I was thinking the cycle on royal only strategy
is about 25,000 hands: $1,000,000/25,000 = $40/hand.

I ran the $1,000,000.82 jackpot BP game through my analyzer:

The Royal Flush cycle is 23,095 hands
The return is 4,378.2184% (before cash back)
The variance is a bit high at 43,297,045.3870
The strategy is beautifully simple:

- Royal Flush
- Four to a Royal Flush
- Three to a Royal Flush
- Four Aces
- Two to a Royal Flush
- Straight Flush (A2345 thru 6789T only)
- Four 2's thru K's (cannot have 2 to a Royal)
- Three Aces (cannot have 2 or 3 to a Royal)
- Ace, Jack, Queen or King (in that order of preference)
- Full House (cannot have 2 to a Royal)
- Ten
- Flush (highest card 9 or less)
- Three 2's thru 9's
- Straight (23456 thru 56789 only)
- Four to a Straight Flush (no gaps, 2345 thru 6789 only)
- Discard everything

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