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Excellent post! But alas I fear it may be similar to teaching a pig to sing: not only is it impossible, it pisses off the pig......

JW

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--- On Tue, 5/4/10, Jean Scott <queenofcomps@cox.net> wrote:

From: Jean Scott <queenofcomps@cox.net>
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Sex and the City Slots
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, May 4, 2010, 2:40 PM
<<all i said was that i believe
the term "advantage slot player" is a
contradiction in terms. and i explained why i believe so.
now, if you
disagree, please tell us why>>

Sometimes - in fact, often - the advantage we have in VP is
not as cut and
dried as someone might wish. Yes, the EV of most
games can be figured
mathematically. Often the slot club points can be
figured the same way.
But in so many more areas, guesstimation is not so
exact. You might have to
estimate # of entries in a drawing. You might not
know the theo of a game
exactly but you might use information from a friend who has
played it in the
past. You might have to plan attentively what you
might get in mailed BB,
knowing it might depend on unknown factors and the changing
whims of casino
marketing We get a lot of information from friends
and from Internet
sources, based on experience of others. Because I
have played for many
years I often have a "feel" for my general advantage,
(marginal, good,
excellent) but I rarely know the exact math advantage we
have.

Just as not all VP is advantageous not all slots are
non-advantage. I
don't know how to judge them but there are a few smart
players around who
can. And there ARE some progressive slots that go
positive. Flaming 7's, I
believe, is one example but I don't know the numbers.
Not as many as there
used to be. But still possible.

Therefore, I can not agree with your statement: {i'm the
poster who asked -
following jean's inquiry about SATC- how slots could be
considered an
"advantage" play.} Actually almost all
games could be an advantage play.
On page 19 of my first book, I made a list of positive and
negative games,
plus another category of "Potentially Positive."
Those included negative
games played in a tournament format, with a progressive
feature or an equity
consideration, with a coupon, as part of a special
promotion, with a slot
club or similar rebate program, or when comps are
factored in.
________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@...> wrote:

Does anyone have any info about whether the progressives on these ever get high enough to make it a good play, perhaps positive combined with high multiple slot club points.
________________
Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
http://queenofcomps.com/
You can read my blog at
http://jscott.lvablog.com/

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First of all I believe the bottom proggressive (easiest to hit) is Charlotte, which resets at $10. I think that if this number is $60+, it would be a break even play at worst.

Secondly, I'd like to defend Ms. Scott, who correctly pointed out that there's rarely a VP play that doesn't involve unknown variables, unless you're playing full play machines for small hourly win rates.

The most profit from VP generally comes from the mailers and promotions, which are usually based on non-disclosed factors, and can be cut off by the casino at any time, for any reason.

Progressive slots must have a break even/+ev point, since the minimum payback in Nevada is around 72%. It is true that many of these plays are more difficult to calculate than vp plays, but bonus slots can offer some of most +ev opportunities in Vegas. However, many of these plays are only profitable for a short time period.

The multilevel Elvis progressive machines are a clear example of this. They have 4 progressives that must hit before they get to the top of the range (clearly stated on machines). If the coin-in required to move any of the progs to the point where they must hit, is less than the progressive, it would have to be a profitable spot, right?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Earl" <EAtkinson@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <queenofcomps@> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any info about whether the progressives on these ever get high enough to make it a good play, perhaps positive combined with high multiple slot club points.
> ________________
> Jean $¢ott, Frugal Gambler
> http://queenofcomps.com/
> You can read my blog at
> http://jscott.lvablog.com/
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
I wish someone would help with this question.