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Seven Stars Event

That's a bit different than how the other guy painted it. But he always wins, so it isn't hard to understand the upbeat report.

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From: "Dave" <haaljo@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Seven Stars Event
Date: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 10:47 am

We found the 7* event highly disorganised. Staff seemed overwhelmed.

Too many high level gamblers and not enough staff resources provided by management? I'd estimate 1,000 7*?

Enjoyed all the shows. Got kind of disgusted at all the food.

Did observe many 7* VP players gambling at ~98% machines. This had to be very good for the Harrah's syndicate.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, coachvee@... wrote:

Hi Gang:

Some random thoughts about last weekend's Caesars/Harrah's Seven Stars

I'm a 7* player, but your description makes me glad I didn't attend. The 98% sounds good, but disorganization and disarray are not exactly aspects of my favorite environment.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111@yahoo.com" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:

That's a bit different than how the other guy painted it. But he always wins, so it isn't hard to understand the upbeat report.

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From: "Dave" <haaljo@...>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Seven Stars Event
Date: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 10:47 am

We found the 7* event highly disorganised. Staff seemed overwhelmed.

Too many high level gamblers and not enough staff resources provided by management? I'd estimate 1,000 7*?

Enjoyed all the shows. Got kind of disgusted at all the food.

Did observe many 7* VP players gambling at ~98% machines. This had to be very good for the Harrah's syndicate.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, coachvee@ wrote:

> Hi Gang:

> Some random thoughts about last weekend's Caesars/Harrah's Seven Stars

Well, my reaction to Dave's post is that while I don't question his observation that there was insufficient staff at the AC 7* event to provide an acceptable player experience, it would be helpful if he cited just a specific or two to make his complaint more concrete.

We were greatly disappointed that we were only able to take advantage of events on Saturday, but our experience with that limited exposure was uniformly positive and satisfying.

We thought Harrah's pool deck lunch was extraordinarily nicely catered and conducted, and the only thing criminal was when it came time to leave.

Further, hotel registration (I stopped in Thursday night to claim a good room and receive the Fre(e Play benefit) was simple and straight-forward. (It was surprising that the assortment of coupons, etc., distributed as part of the offer wasn't assembled in advance, but instead collated by the check-in agent, but it didn't prove any real delay either).

Everyone we encountered during the day Saturday who had attended the Lionel Richie show at Caesars on Friday described it as a must see show. We weren't disappointed in seeing the 2nd performance Saturday. All aspects of the show were handled professionally. It was a real highlight of the weekend.

Our redemption of my shopping vouchers at Viking Cooking store at Harrah's and at a shop at the Pier went smoothly, and we're tickled at the merchandise we scored on the offer.

And despite anticipated demand for the restaurants, not only were they able to accommodate a last minute selection of the Steakhouse at Harrah's before seeing Richie, but they served up the best meal we've enjoyed to date there. (We were alarmed at first when all four of us at the table found it necessary to send back our steaks because they were considerably over done vs how ordered, but the waiter dealt with it adroitly and had perfect replacements served up in record time.)

We hosted two out of town players (from the SW) who currently aren't active Harrah's players, when it turned out that they were in the DC area and prospects for another get together at a later date become iffy once we move to Atlanta. It pleased us immensely when, before parting company and our flight to Atlanta Sunday for Bev's start at her new job, one of them remarked it was incredibly refreshing to stay somewhere where the staff repeatedly went out of there way to make you a value guest. This is coming from someone who I consider fairly demanding in what they expect for their money (who, for example, was the first to suggest we send the steaks back to the kitchen, for example). So I consider it more than passive praise.

The bottom line is that this is the first 7* event we've attended in AC and now greatly regret on passing on previous years. You can bet we'll aggressively strive to attend all 4 days/3 nights next year, even though it'll be a much tougher commute than the trek from Philly this year.

- Harry

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "James Crowder" <jcrowderauthor@...> wrote:

I'm a 7* player, but your description makes me glad I didn't attend. The 98% sounds good, but disorganization and disarray are not exactly aspects of my favorite environment.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111@..." <rob.singer1111@> wrote:
>
> That's a bit different than how the other guy painted it. But he always wins, so it isn't hard to understand the upbeat report.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Dave" <haaljo@>
> To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Seven Stars Event
> Date: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 10:47 am
>
> We found the 7* event highly disorganised. Staff seemed overwhelmed.
>
> Too many high level gamblers and not enough staff resources provided by management? I'd estimate 1,000 7*?
>
> Enjoyed all the shows. Got kind of disgusted at all the food.
>
> Did observe many 7* VP players gambling at ~98% machines. This had to be very good for the Harrah's syndicate.
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, coachvee@ wrote:
>
> > Hi Gang:
>
> > Some random thoughts about last weekend's Caesars/Harrah's Seven Stars
>

I'm not going to spell out the details in this forum (I'm handling it with
Caesar's) but I experienced extremely poor service on multiple occasions
over the weekend because of a severe lack of communication between Caesar
employees and also because they didn't even bother having one host on duty
overnight during the 7* event.(at least not at Ballys)

I was impressed with all the events they attempted to provide during the
event.

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
vp_wiz
Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:39 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Seven Stars Event

Well, my reaction to Dave's post is that while I don't question his
observation that there was insufficient staff at the AC 7* event to provide
an acceptable player experience, it would be helpful if he cited just a
specific or two to make his complaint more concrete

<snip>
The bottom line is that this is the first 7* event we've attended in AC and
now greatly regret on passing on previous years. You can bet we'll
aggressively strive to attend all 4 days/3 nights next year, even though
it'll be a much tougher commute than the trek from Philly this year.

- Harry

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , "James
Crowder" <jcrowderauthor@...> wrote:

I'm a 7* player, but your description makes me glad I didn't attend. The

98% sounds good, but disorganization and disarray are not exactly aspects of
my favorite environment.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ,

"rob.singer1111@..." <rob.singer1111@> wrote:

>
> That's a bit different than how the other guy painted it. But he always

wins, so it isn't hard to understand the upbeat report.

>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Dave" <haaljo@>
> To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Seven Stars Event
> Date: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 10:47 am
>
> We found the 7* event highly disorganised. Staff seemed overwhelmed.
>
> Too many high level gamblers and not enough staff resources provided by

management? I'd estimate 1,000 7*?

>
> Enjoyed all the shows. Got kind of disgusted at all the food.
>
> Did observe many 7* VP players gambling at ~98% machines. This had to be

very good for the Harrah's syndicate.

>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ,

coachvee@ wrote:

>
> > Hi Gang:
>
> > Some random thoughts about last weekend's Caesars/Harrah's Seven Stars
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

My wife and went to Showboat for the 7* event. My only complaint, the diamond slot tournament they had on Saturday.

John

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Well, my reaction to Dave's post is that while I don't question his observation that there was insufficient staff at the AC 7* event to provide an acceptable player experience, it would be helpful if he cited just a specific or two to make his complaint more concrete.

Harry, a question about 7-Stars if you don't mind.

I understand the feeling of "celebrity" one may get when having that status. I've held it for one year only and that was a while ago. All the rest have bee Diamond, and I found the benefits only marginally better, if that.

For years now I've seen people ragging on Harrah's properties for cutting back on lounge assets, reducing staff, and seemingly the most horrifying of all belt-tightening: lowering paytables. Yet there never seems to be a shortage of 7-Stars members who write about it here.

Other than the one guy who never seems to have a losing visit to any Harrah's, hasn't the paytables' cutback increased losses enough to make these yearly events etc. too costly to attend so regularly?

BTW--do you frequent that warehouse of a Harrah's over in Chester? I can't imagine a 7-Stars event being held there :slight_smile:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Well, my reaction to Dave's post is that while I don't question his observation that there was insufficient staff at the AC 7* event to provide an acceptable player experience, it would be helpful if he cited just a specific or two to make his complaint more concrete.

Rob, I'd hope you know that I wouldn't pay up $5 for the sake of "celebrity".

I'll be the first one to suggest that for some, there isn't anything about 7* to aspire to. But for many, particularly to those who are playing the stronger Harrah's paytables that can be found in a number of venues outside of LV, if they would find that they play up to 70K tier credits as a norm, it's a no-brainer to stretch one's play to 100K to achieve 7* status.

Key 7* benfits with significant value to us are:

-- Annual trip
-- Annual celebration dinner
-- Periodic upgraded 7* promotions benefits (RCM's, etc.)
-- 7* events themselves
-- Annual cruise

* For example, we used last year's trip benefit to book a 4 night stay in LV, continuing on to LA where we embarked on a cruise using the annual benefit. All air was covered. All food & beverage incidental during the LV stay were covered. (Plus, our host obtained primo seats for "Beatles: Love" that was covered with accrued RC's.)

This is a trip that, when we were non-Harrah's players, we might very well have paid for out of pocket (and indeed used to foot the bill for such travel pre-2003). So you'll find us ascribing a considerable value to the benefits we've enjoyed courtesy of 7* qualification.

* During that trip, we also used the celebration dinner benefit to enjoy a blow-out dinner at Eiffel Tower restaurant. Again, I can look to our previous visit there (around 2002) for which we paid handsomely out of pocket to again suggest that every penny of our meal should be ascribed as value derived from 7* qualification.

* During the past 12-mo (7/1-6/30), during which Bev and I have put considerably in excess of $2 million coin-in in wagers on my card account, I have repeatedly enjoyed promotions and upgraded promotions available only as a 7* player. I would conservatively estimate that these have directly translated to cash enhancement amount to no less than $4K, and likely quite a bit more.

* Access to the periodic 7* events themselves is worthy of mention, even though I wouldn't assign a $ benefit to them. Each has generally involved player tributes that I can't even begin to imagine receiving at another property. The events are generally well worth going out of one's way to attend.

* To round things out, while I wouldn't pay much to attain day to day 7* "treatment", the related benefits (line pass, room upgrades, VIP check in access, etc.) greatly enhance each visit's experience.

Re paytable cutbacks: I can only state that I don't play reduced paytables except in those cases where peripheral cash benefits (Reel Rewards, etc.) sufficiently compensate for those cuts. You won't find me playing sheerly to score tier credits to requalify for 7*.

For most of those whose primary play is on the LV Strip, Harrah's 7* status is not a desirable achievement.

All that said, Rob, I don't think this is the first time I've enumerated some of the 7* benefits (others have as well). My guess is that this rendition isn't going to impact your thinking about 7* much. That's ok. As I wrote to begin with, 7* status isn't going to appeal to some.

Re Chester, taken for what it is, I think it's a uniquely attractive property and Bev and I typically spend an evening there at least once every 2 or 3 months and, in particular, have really enjoyed some of the 7* events there. (And there are a surprising number of 7* players who are rated at Chester.)

- Harry

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:

Harry, a question about 7-Stars if you don't mind.

I understand the feeling of "celebrity" one may get when having that status. I've held it for one year only and that was a while ago. All the rest have bee Diamond, and I found the benefits only marginally better, if that.

For years now I've seen people ragging on Harrah's properties for cutting back on lounge assets, reducing staff, and seemingly the most horrifying of all belt-tightening: lowering paytables. Yet there never seems to be a shortage of 7-Stars members who write about it here.

Other than the one guy who never seems to have a losing visit to any Harrah's, hasn't the paytables' cutback increased losses enough to make these yearly events etc. too costly to attend so regularly?

BTW--do you frequent that warehouse of a Harrah's over in Chester? I can't imagine a 7-Stars event being held there :slight_smile:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
>
> Well, my reaction to Dave's post is that while I don't question his observation that there was insufficient staff at the AC 7* event to provide an acceptable player experience, it would be helpful if he cited just a specific or two to make his complaint more concrete.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I was 7* for 2 years and never was invited to a cruise went to a trerrible 7* event in Tuinica the food was set up in a room with hardly any seating and lines were very very long in fact i walked out of this one loudly complaining,was stopped by a suit who agreed with me and I was comped to a good dinner at the horseshoe steak house and this was the only good part of it and airfare was not included and so since it cost me over 20k in losing to make it figured for that much was not even close to be worth it,sounds like there has been some inprovements but still with the terrible paytables I dont think its worth it at least for me but if i could win like the coach i guess it would be.

To the people who said there was some good VP paytables outside of Vegas could you tell me where and if u dont want everybody to know please e mail be at my addy thanks

GENE SCHEEL
SUNDANCE SPORTS

Rob, I'd hope you know that I wouldn't pay up $5 for the sake of "celebrity".

I'll be the first one to suggest that for some, there isn't anything about 7* to aspire to. But for many, particularly to those who are playing the stronger Harrah's paytables that can be found in a number of venues outside of LV, if they would find that they play up to 70K tier credits as a norm, it's a no-brainer to stretch one's play to 100K to achieve 7* status.

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From: vp_wiz <harry.porter@verizon.net>

Sure, I'll note a few downers:
1) When we arrived at AC airport, we were on a list of the "anderson paty" and directed to a shuttle bus where we sat (no AC) for 15 minutes waiting for the andersons.
Not one of the 12 limos had a sign indicating destination. Finally, found a limo going to Bally's but had to ask half of the drivers.

2) The room at check-in was not the kind we (always) requested; A standard room with ocean view (why go to AC if not for an oceanview?). Took an hour to get the room ready.

3) Our friends arrived that night and 7* check in room had closed.
They and a dozen others behind them checked in at 7* counter but it was not staffed until they raised hell.

4) For the massage, told to go to Harrah's and upon arrival was told it was at Ballys.

And to top-off the trip, our ride back to airport was a no-show. We took a cab; an adventure where the cab driver took back roads apparently to avoid tolls.

One kudo was the slot tournamemt. Was impressed at how quickly they moved people through the ordeal. But when your dealing with 1000 participants, a drawing would have been better.

And as far as James saying "98% sounds good" ----- Huh?

Well, my reaction to Dave's post is that while I don't question his observation that there was insufficient staff at the AC 7* event to provide an acceptable player experience, it would be helpful if he cited just a specific or two to make his complaint more concrete.

=>

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

- Harry

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "James Crowder" <jcrowderauthor@> wrote:
>
> I'm a 7* player, but your description makes me glad I didn't attend. The 98% sounds good, but disorganization and disarray are not exactly aspects of my favorite environment.
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111@" <rob.singer1111@> wrote:
> >
> > That's a bit different than how the other guy painted it. But he always wins, so it isn't hard to understand the upbeat report.
> >
> > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone
> >
> > ----- Reply message -----
> > From: "Dave" <haaljo@>
> > To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Seven Stars Event
> > Date: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 10:47 am
> >
> > We found the 7* event highly disorganised. Staff seemed overwhelmed.
> >
> > Too many high level gamblers and not enough staff resources provided by management? I'd estimate 1,000 7*?
> >
> > Enjoyed all the shows. Got kind of disgusted at all the food.
> >
> > Did observe many 7* VP players gambling at ~98% machines. This had to be very good for the Harrah's syndicate.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, coachvee@ wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Gang:
> >
> > > Some random thoughts about last weekend's Caesars/Harrah's Seven Stars
> >
>

That's helpful, Dave. FWIW, I'll offer up my take on your complaints:

* Airport arrival transfer: You have every right to expect a prompt, comfortable transfer upon arrival. For shared transportation, I consider a 15-minute delay acceptable, although there's no question it should be avoided if possible (and in this case, it seems it could have). The shuttle should have been running with AC at all times.

I advise you to contact Harrah's/CE with feedback re this. If you don't complain, then they have little chance to improve next year.

btw, if your play warrants it, then by all means you should arrange with a host for a private limo when arriving for any casino sponsored trip. (I've seen others with arrangements for such transfers at New Orleans and Reno/Tahoe while we've waited for the shared shuttle on junkets.)

* Room accommodations: It's standard in AC, after something like 9p, that 7* must check in at the main desk. They're afforded priority, however, and may proceed to the front of the Diamond line if they desire.

That said, I would have (and believe I may have) advised any 7* desiring to stay on the Boardwalk to opt for Caesars over Bally's. All around, it's much better at affording a 7* experience. (Nonetheless, out of other considerations, Bally's AC has been our "home property" these last two years.)

Bally's standard check-in is the weakest of Harrah's four properties (Showboat comes in a close 2nd), and can be rife with frustration on a bad day. (Most times they come through decently, though.) I can understand expecting that they would be on their best performance during a 7* event, but sadly I can well imagine that wasn't the case.

Again, it's worth providing feedback to Bally's. You deserved an efficient, pleasant check-in experience.

* Room availability: Even under the best circumstances, summer demand for rooms is high and they cannot promise ocean view rooms at check-in for anyone but their strongest players. We've maintained a fairly strong ADT there (one affording some of the strongest receptions elsewhere, including our 7* trip to Caesars LV in March). Unless we arrive early on a Friday, we can't be assured of an oceanview room anywhere in AC.

That's particularly true at Bally's. I might hope things were otherwise, but I can't say that the reality is much different at most any other peak demand resort property.

* Our check-in experience: I checked in Thursday afternoon around 1p over at Harrah's Resort. My desired room, facing away from the pool (which can be loud at night, due to "pool parties" wasn't available. Further, the room I was assigned wasn't ready for occupancy until after 5p.

Again, I might hope for better, but I've come to accept that this is as good as it gets, even under more standard circumstances.

They did accommodate the next day with a room change and we were fine when we returned for our Saturday night occupancy. (Again, due to relocation to Atlanta this week, we were only able to attend Saturday events.)

* Massage scheduling: I believe you were provided an event schedule that should have included your spa appointment/location. If that schedule cited the Red Door at Harrah's as your location and it was instead the spa at Bally's, then by all means you should again include this fact in your communication to Harrah's/CE.

If, instead, your verbal confirmation was at Harrah's and you were subsequently rebooked to Bally's and this was communicated at check-in, then I don't think you have a major gripe. It should be anticipated that at an event with 1000 players having a massage benefit, that there might be some need for re-accommodation. Further, you have may been scheduled into Bally's as an anticipated convenience for you, since your room was there.

* Re AC VP: I certainly would expect any player from this group to have reviewed the inventory listings on vpFREE2 prior to attending this event.

Our own experience is that we expected, in limiting our presence to Saturday, to have to fight tooth and nail for access to the $1/$2 9/6 Jacks machines at Bally's and Harrah's (where we played).

Instead, at Bally's Saturday afternoon, Bev scored a machine upon arrival. I was able to sit down at the machine beside her within 15 minutes.

At Harrah's, Saturday evening after dinner, my friend again scored a machine upon arrival. Again, I was sitting next to him on a second machine within 15 minutes.

I couldn't have asked for better availability (and presume that one of the best assets here, vpFREE2, is widely overlooked).

* My bottom line take: Even factoring your more sour experience, given the fine time we had with the sponsored events during our stay, I'd be hard pressed to rate the overall trip any worse than a B+. I have to anticipate most fared better than you, and can indeed assign Harrah's/CE a "A" of some magnitude for the weekend.

- Harry

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Dave" <haaljo@...> wrote:

Sure, I'll note a few downers:
1) When we arrived at AC airport, we were on a list of the "anderson paty" and directed to a shuttle bus where we sat (no AC) for 15 minutes waiting for the andersons.
Not one of the 12 limos had a sign indicating destination. Finally, found a limo going to Bally's but had to ask half of the drivers.

2) The room at check-in was not the kind we (always) requested; A standard room with ocean view (why go to AC if not for an oceanview?). Took an hour to get the room ready.

3) Our friends arrived that night and 7* check in room had closed.
They and a dozen others behind them checked in at 7* counter but it was not staffed until they raised hell.

4) For the massage, told to go to Harrah's and upon arrival was told it was at Ballys.

And to top-off the trip, our ride back to airport was a no-show. We took a cab; an adventure where the cab driver took back roads apparently to avoid tolls.

One kudo was the slot tournamemt. Was impressed at how quickly they moved people through the ordeal. But when your dealing with 1000 participants, a drawing would have been better.

And as far as James saying "98% sounds good" ----- Huh?

my seven stars event experience was a mix of good and bad, but i did encounter several service mishaps, chief among them:

* a 45 minute wait at check-in (friday, 1 PM)

* a poorly assembled welcome packet that was missing brunch coupons and a spa coupon; i heard from at least a half a dozen others staying at all four properties who had similar problems.

* a mad scene at mia's for brunch on sunday, with people yelling and screaming and demanding to be seated; the problem was those welcome packets... those that had brunch coupons missing were given new coupons with all brunch venues listed... they were told to go anywhere they liked at any time, even though they didn't have a reservation. chaos!

* a 45 minute wait for the seven stars shuttle bus from showboat to harrah's, while three "regular" TR shuttles passed us by. (the only transportation that seemed to work well was the direct service between caesars and harrah's. i never waited more than five minutes for that! if you were trying to get to/from any other property, however, there was a long wait. we ultimately shared a cab with another couple.)

* a 40 minute wait to get into the new seven stars lounge at caesars. to their credit, they were taking cell phone numbers and calling people when a spot opened up. but the servers were ill prepared to handle the crush of people and were dropping plates of food and drinks, left and right. to be fair, it's brand new (opened the day before) and the demand on a weekend like this was enormous.

* confusion about the apple gift card promo. widely promoted as running "thursday through sunday," the fine print said that the qualifying earning period actually ended at 6 AM sunday. well, folks, sunday's gaming day actually begins at 6AM, so it's wrong to advertise the promo as being available "thursday through sunday!" needless to say, my play on sunday morning did not qualify for the promo. hey, it's my own damn fault for not looking at the fine print, but even so, is it really accurate to say a gaming promotion runs thursday to sunday, when no part of sunday's gaming day is included?

* this was not a service mishap, but i just have to say... the in-room gift placement each night was a little lackluster: a very small box of high end chocolates and a plastic tub of caramel popcorn. (how do you run an event in atlantic city and NOT offer your guests salt water taffy?) nothing beats the box of chocolate that was delivered to our room at the last signature event at caesars palace in las vegas. it was an over the top sampler from the francois payard shop and was easily worth about $200 retail.

on the plus side...

* we got our preferred corner centurion ocean view room, but that had a lot to do with caesars AC being my dominant property and the good relationships i have with the VIP check-in staff.

* the "outdoor bash" at bally's was one of the finest parties of this type i've ever been to. lobster tail, lobster roll, oysters, mahi mahi tacos, ginormous shrimp, salads, desserts, free flowing champagne (moet) and a live band (along with a marginal celebrity appearance). curiously, this event was not that well attended... i never saw more than two hundred people there.

* they're learning... they ditched the costly and unnecessary metal portfolios that contained the welcome packets at the last seven stars event in favor of simple printed folders.

* while not really relevant to the seven sig event experience, we enjoyed our time at the beach very much (complimentary umbrellas and chairs) and the weather was unbelievably cooperative.

i've been to a few of these now, and all-in-all, i really do think AC does it better than most... much better than vegas, where the emphasis is almost always exclusively on gaming. in AC, there were two shows, three parties, a slot or golf tournament, a spa treatment, shopping dollars and food coupons... and the beach... plenty to keep you actively engaged in non-gaming pursuits.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

* My bottom line take: Even factoring your more sour experience, given the fine time we had with the sponsored events during our stay, I'd be hard pressed to rate the overall trip any worse than a B+. I have to anticipate most fared better than you, and can indeed assign Harrah's/CE a "A" of some magnitude for the weekend.

Horseshoe - Hammond IN. $1-50 line (No RF penalty if you play less than 50 hands.) has APDW (99.96%) and 8-5 Super Aces (99.94%). These are also now available again on $1/$2/$5 single line machines. (This might need a database update.) Also $1 9-6 jacks progressive.

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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of gene scheel
Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:44 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: Seven Stars Event

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ I was 7* for 2 years and never was invited to a cruise went to a trerrible 7* event in Tuinica the food was set up in a room with hardly any seating and lines were very very long in fact i walked out of this one loudly complaining,was stopped by a suit who agreed with me and I was comped to a good dinner at the horseshoe steak house and this was the only good part of it and airfare was not included and so since it cost me over 20k in losing to make it figured for that much was not even close to be worth it,sounds like there has been some inprovements but still with the terrible paytables I dont think its worth it at least for me but if i could win like the coach i guess it would be.

To the people who said there was some good VP paytables outside of Vegas could you tell me where and if u dont want everybody to know please e mail be at my addy thanks

GENE SCHEEL
SUNDANCE SPORTS

From: vp_wiz <harry.porter@verizon.net <mailto:harry.porter%40verizon.net> >

Rob, I'd hope you know that I wouldn't pay up $5 for the sake of "celebrity".

I'll be the first one to suggest that for some, there isn't anything about 7* to aspire to. But for many, particularly to those who are playing the stronger Harrah's paytables that can be found in a number of venues outside of LV, if they would find that they play up to 70K tier credits as a norm, it's a no-brainer to stretch one's play to 100K to achieve 7* status.

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I've always respected Harrys viewpoint and good luck to him et al. at Czr. BTW Mr. H, how are you going to put in your mil now that you and Bev are in Atlanta ? :slight_smile: Personally I gave up 7 * a few years ago. My main reasons were:

1. No play on the LV strip. For me a trip to LV is all about the Strip. Otherwise it's just a casino trip and I have enough access to casinos in the Northeast.
2. Best plays( # of 99% machines)and availability are at Ballys AC but I got tired of
    a. Disgusting rooms with filthy carpeting and constantly dripping toilets. Czr. doesn't update anything.
    b.Playing most days at $1k coin in = one pt.
     c. Worried about mine and Mary's safety in the late hours.
     d. Events that didn't live up to billing.
    e. Machines with terrible screens and sticky buttons. Czr. has not thrown any money into maintaining their product.
    f. Hosts that are cordial but basically useless.
    g. Places that only take 2:1 comps.
    h. And now the Diamond club charging. And remember they're still terrible in LV when compared to the bill of fare in AC.

  Instead of refusing to change casinos like alot of saps do" because we've always played here ", I shopped and found much better offerings . No casino is the perfect one and like J Scott said never marry one but you have to be crazy to stay in a place and risk your money,when there are better and safer ones around the region.

  BTW, the one thing I do miss at Ballys AC is the great staff I befriended at Arturos.

  My two cents.

  Larry F.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@...> wrote:

Rob, I'd hope you know that I wouldn't pay up $5 for the sake of "celebrity".

I'll be the first one to suggest that for some, there isn't anything about 7* to aspire to. But for many, particularly to those who are playing the stronger Harrah's paytables that can be found in a number of venues outside of LV, if they would find that they play up to 70K tier credits as a norm, it's a no-brainer to stretch one's play to 100K to achieve 7* status.

Just curious, we did not get any airfare paid by CE, but several others that we met did get some airfare reimburusment. Does anyone know how that works, is it home casino/host dependent or ADT related or what?
Dave

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111@yahoo.com" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:

That's a bit different than how the other guy painted it. But he always wins, so it isn't hard to understand the upbeat report.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone

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From: "Dave" <haaljo@...>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Seven Stars Event
Date: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 10:47 am

We found the 7* event highly disorganised. Staff seemed overwhelmed.

Too many high level gamblers and not enough staff resources provided by management? I'd estimate 1,000 7*?

Enjoyed all the shows. Got kind of disgusted at all the food.

Did observe many 7* VP players gambling at ~98% machines. This had to be very good for the Harrah's syndicate.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, coachvee@ wrote:

> Hi Gang:

> Some random thoughts about last weekend's Caesars/Harrah's Seven Stars

Reimbursement included in some offers. For AC from Boston, Spirit Airlines offered just about anytime on a day's notice.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "DavidL" <slutoo@...> wrote:

Just curious, we did not get any airfare paid by CE, but several others that we met did get some airfare reimburusment. Does anyone know how that works, is it home casino/host dependent or ADT related or what?
Dave

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111@..." <rob.singer1111@> wrote:
>
> That's a bit different than how the other guy painted it. But he always wins, so it isn't hard to understand the upbeat report.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Dave" <haaljo@>
> To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Seven Stars Event
> Date: Wed, Jun 29, 2011 10:47 am
>
> We found the 7* event highly disorganised. Staff seemed overwhelmed.
>
> Too many high level gamblers and not enough staff resources provided by management? I'd estimate 1,000 7*?
>
> Enjoyed all the shows. Got kind of disgusted at all the food.
>
> Did observe many 7* VP players gambling at ~98% machines. This had to be very good for the Harrah's syndicate.
>
>
>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, coachvee@ wrote:
>
> > Hi Gang:
>
> > Some random thoughts about last weekend's Caesars/Harrah's Seven Stars
>