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Serious Post: Request Advice on Finding Best Low-Limit Reel Slots

I have FreePlay vouchers from two casinos that don't allow using FP vouchers on video poker machines. Thus, I have to wash the money once on slots before movng to VP.

I've been randomly selecting Penny slot machines and taking my chances. %-wise I've lost big.

Is there any science to selecting the best Penny slots and deciding: (1) how many lines to play, and (2) how many coins per line?

I'm working with vouchers for only $50-$125, so going max/max even on a Penny machine doesn't give me many spins, but I'm willing to do that if that's far and away the best play. Otherwise, I'd prefer to give up a few % points in order to walk away with more money most of the time.

Appreciate any advice from those who know.

Thanks.
The GMan

A penny game from IGT called Twin Win has NO bonus round so you could
limit exposure in that area.

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On Jan 23, 2010, at 6:09 PM, "ggman444" <gleng4444@comcast.net> wrote:

I have FreePlay vouchers from two casinos that don't allow using FP
vouchers on video poker machines. Thus, I have to wash the money
once on slots before movng to VP.

I've been randomly selecting Penny slot machines and taking my
chances. %-wise I've lost big.

Is there any science to selecting the best Penny slots and deciding:
(1) how many lines to play, and (2) how many coins per line?

I'm working with vouchers for only $50-$125, so going max/max even
on a Penny machine doesn't give me many spins, but I'm willing to do
that if that's far and away the best play. Otherwise, I'd prefer to
give up a few % points in order to walk away with more money most of
the time.

Appreciate any advice from those who know.

Thanks.
The GMan

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Your best bet would be to play a higher denomination non progressive straight slot machine. I would suggest $1 double diamond machine playing $1 per spin.

Regards

A.P.

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--- On Sat, 1/23/10, ggman444 <gleng4444@comcast.net> wrote:

From: ggman444 <gleng4444@comcast.net>
Subject: [vpFREE] Serious Post: Request Advice on Finding Best Low-Limit Reel Slots
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 9:09 PM

I have FreePlay vouchers from two casinos that don't allow using FP vouchers on video poker machines. Thus, I have to wash the money once on slots before movng to VP.

I've been randomly selecting Penny slot machines and taking my chances. %-wise I've lost big.

Is there any science to selecting the best Penny slots and deciding: (1) how many lines to play, and (2) how many coins per line?

I'm working with vouchers for only $50-$125, so going max/max even on a Penny machine doesn't give me many spins, but I'm willing to do that if that's far and away the best play. Otherwise, I'd prefer to give up a few % points in order to walk away with more money most of the time.

Appreciate any advice from those who know.

Thanks.
The GMan

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If they allow video roulette that is the best choice by far.
You could go 1 red/ 1 black and take your chances on zero.

Or 18 red/18 black 1 "zero" until you "launder" the slot vouchers

If Vid Roul. is not allowed find an aristocrat (red baron, penguin pays, 50 lions, peacock, scatter magic etc) play max lines, 1 credit per line.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ggman444" <gleng4444@...> wrote:

I have FreePlay vouchers from two casinos that don't allow using FP vouchers on video poker machines. Thus, I have to wash the money once on slots before movng to VP.

I've been randomly selecting Penny slot machines and taking my chances. %-wise I've lost big.

Is there any science to selecting the best Penny slots and deciding: (1) how many lines to play, and (2) how many coins per line?

I'm working with vouchers for only $50-$125, so going max/max even on a Penny machine doesn't give me many spins, but I'm willing to do that if that's far and away the best play. Otherwise, I'd prefer to give up a few % points in order to walk away with more money most of the time.

Appreciate any advice from those who know.

Thanks.
The GMan

Certain Star Wars slots are advantage and the rage of the LV sharpies now. Not sure what the set points are . The game "red-hot" jackpots bottom line > $17, or 2nd line >$80 are hit-able and advantage set points and a good time to jump in.
Also check out this article GMAN...good luck..
http://www.lasvegasgamblingedge.com/Advantageous_Slot_Machines.html

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----- Original Message ----- From: "ggman444" <gleng4444@comcast.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 9:09 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Serious Post: Request Advice on Finding Best Low-Limit Reel Slots

On a typical penny slot, I'm happy to cash out 50-75%.
Overall though I cash out ~100% of my free play.

a) If advantage slots are available, play those.

b) Blackjack. If your object is to cash out 80-90% as often as possible, play 5c (or the smallest denomination you can find). Use a pyramid sequence. For example, with $50, I might bet $1 on the first hand, if I lose drop to 50c, 25c, 10c, 5c, 5c, etc... until I win. When you start winning you can try 1-1-2-2-3-3, 1-3-2-4-5, 1-3-7-10, 1-3-7-3-7-10, etc... Lots of different sequences for various degrees of aggressiveness.

If you want better long-term return look for the best odds
  1) Virtual blackjack with simulated dealers. 3:2 & surrender. $1 min.
          - Single Deck. Can be counted. Play 3rd base when 4 other people are playing.
          - Or play two hands (one maybe with no free play) to lower the variance.
  2) Slightly worse versions have $2 or $5 min and/or 6:5 BJs
  3) The older even-money blackjack (on stand-alone machines or with VP).
       Best has surrender and insurance.
  4) Even-money BJ with double & split (but no surrender)
  5) Even-money BJ with no double or split

c) Roulette - bet any way you want, or bet red & black, or bet 1-12 and 13-24, etc...

d) If blackjack and rouletter are not available, look for penny machines that don't have really bad cold spells (and try to download your credits in pieces if possible...to leave cold machines).

Ideally you'd like some inside knowledge about which slots are set closest to 100%, which might require some long-term observation of other players, knowing which machines allow them to play longer (and might be set higher).

I like Reel Em In and Wheel of Fortune, but they are lousy for redeeming Free Play because the cold spells are too long.

The oil rig game (forgot the name), Sun/Moon, Monopoly Grand Hotel have often been good to me.

1) Play only ~1% of your money at a time. If you're stuck on a $1 machine, this may mean 1 line - 1 coin. Some machines play better if you play 3-5 lines/time. If you have a chance at a bonus round, you might have to play 25 lines/time.

2) If 1% is not enough to qualify for a bonus round, and you still want some chance for a nice bonus round, use a pyramid strategy.

A) Play max lines - max coin. If you don't get back the full amount, play max lines - less coins (up to the amount you got back). Decrease until you get to max lines - 1 coin. After that drop the number of lines until down to 1 line (or your 1% bet). If you win, increase your bet (as with blackjack, you can increase your bet at various speeds).

The nice thing about starting with a big bet is that you can get lucky and hit a bonus round on your very first bet, and stay betting big. But if you decrease your bets, you can last longer on a cold machine until you start hitting.

It sucks to have $100 free play on a $1 machine, play 5 lines x $1 for 20 times, and come home with absolutely $0 (Been there, done that).

Have fun!
Mitchell

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ggman444" <gleng4444@...> wrote:

Is there any science to selecting the best Penny slots and deciding: (1) how many lines to play, and (2) how many coins per line?

The game "red-hot" jackpots bottom line >
$17, or 2nd line >$80 are hit-able and advantage set points and a good time
to jump in.

...on the 1c Red Hots, Multiply by 5x for the 5c Red Hots.

Note that you can dump a LOT of money in without hitting even the low-level jackpot. I spent $440 one day on a 5c Red Hot without hitting the 1st level jackpot (which was at $106!)

Match the variance on a machine, with your amount of free play, and your desire for 50-75% of your money vs. a small/medium/large jackpot.

e.g. on the Star Wars games (after they were tightened up a few months ago), the line plays are usually pretty bad. Most of the time, you can qualify for a bonus round with $10. Occasionally it may take $50-150 to qualify for a bonus round. So most advantage players wait until the Speeder Chase & Bottom bonus adds up to $20-30. Note: Only one person gets these bonuses, so if other people are playing & qualified for the bonus, you may want to wait until even higher prizes are available before playing (e.g. Speeder Chase sometimes reaches $200-400.) Nice thing about Star Wars is that the bonus-round happens every 8 min or so (guaranteed), although sometimes no one is qualified.

On Reel Em In, I've seen 30-45 min stretches with no bonus rounds.

Also check out this article GMAN...good luck..
http://www.lasvegasgamblingedge.com/Advantageous_Slot_Machines.html

Article is seriously out-of-date, but gives some idea of the names of some advantage slot machines. Casinos often take advantage slot machines out after 1-2 yrs because they either (a) don't make enough money (b) cause fights about people waiting for machines

Mitchell

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tomflush" <tomflush@...> wrote:

I have FreePlay vouchers from two casinos that don't allow using FP

vouchers on video poker machines. Thus, I have to wash the money once on
slots before movng to VP.

I've been randomly selecting Penny slot machines and taking my

chances. %-wise I've lost big.

Is there any science to selecting the best Penny slots and deciding:

(1) how many lines to play, and (2) how many coins per line?

I'm working with vouchers for only $50-$125, so going max/max even on

a Penny machine doesn't give me many spins, but I'm willing to do that
if that's far and away the best play. Otherwise, I'd prefer to give up a
few % points in order to walk away with more money most of the time.

Appreciate any advice from those who know.

There is no way to tell how much a slot pays out. The best you can do is
to try to limit your exposure. Penny machines tend to have the worst
payout percentages. Generally, the higher the denom the better the
payback. Stay away from wide area progressive machines, which are
usually some of the tightest machines in a casino. Look for a game with
with a SMALL top award. Games with large top awards tend to have higher
volatility. Playing a game with higher volatility will run the risk of
hitting a losing streak, which you don't want to do if you are just
trying to wash the money so that you can play poker.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ggman444" <gleng4444@...> wrote:

Better yet--find someone who is playing a slot machine and offer to exchange the voucher for real cash. You only have to have your card in the machine to validate the voucher and have the credits download---once downlaoded you can sell them for par or make whatever negotiation you feel fair....just an idea

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To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
From: darrellg@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:02:59 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Serious Post: Request Advice on Finding Best Low-Limit Reel Slots

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ggman444" <gleng4444@...> wrote:

I have FreePlay vouchers from two casinos that don't allow using FP

vouchers on video poker machines. Thus, I have to wash the money once on
slots before movng to VP.

I've been randomly selecting Penny slot machines and taking my

chances. %-wise I've lost big.

Is there any science to selecting the best Penny slots and deciding:

(1) how many lines to play, and (2) how many coins per line?

I'm working with vouchers for only $50-$125, so going max/max even on

a Penny machine doesn't give me many spins, but I'm willing to do that
if that's far and away the best play. Otherwise, I'd prefer to give up a
few % points in order to walk away with more money most of the time.

Appreciate any advice from those who know.

There is no way to tell how much a slot pays out. The best you can do is
to try to limit your exposure. Penny machines tend to have the worst
payout percentages. Generally, the higher the denom the better the
payback. Stay away from wide area progressive machines, which are
usually some of the tightest machines in a casino. Look for a game with
with a SMALL top award. Games with large top awards tend to have higher
volatility. Playing a game with higher volatility will run the risk of
hitting a losing streak, which you don't want to do if you are just
trying to wash the money so that you can play poker.

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Finding slots which are set higher:

I've had the pleasure to watch techs actually set many video poker & slot machines. First time was at the El Cortez last year when two guys were setting 2 machines. So techs can't play the slots in their own casinos. I have heard of cases (illegal) where techs were telling friends which machines to play & when (e.g. when a progressive is good).

1) You can see the actual 88-100% percentage on a particular machine.

2) Ask casino employees (hand pay people, waitresses) which machines tend to pay more jackpots...or which ones people last longer on. Some people are MUCH more reliable at this kind of thing than others.

3) Ask serious players of a particular machine. Sometimes people on a big winning streak play all the machines in a particular bank, and can tell you which machines have been paying them better.

4) When a machine seems to be paying well, I might observe it over many days to see if it just had a one-time fluke, or seems to pay off more.

Three years ago, I had the pleasure of turning $1 into $12,000 in 2 weeks...playing random slot machines. Lots of Wheel of Fortune. At the time I had very little idea about VP. The game which started me on the streak was a $0.25 7/5 DDB game at the Mirage. Lousy odds.

It can help to take notes of which machines in a bank seem set higher, and correlate information over time. Of course, casinos can change the percentages given 5-10 min.

Mitchell