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What's the real secret? Do people really make good money at VP? Can anyone?
I got the Frugal VP from Jean last year. I studied it. I practiced. I went
to Vegas. I lost all my money. I thought I was playing perfect strategy.
I've been playing VP on and off for 15 years, and never come out ahead. I've
only gotten 5 Royal Flushes in my lifetime. I'm an intelligent person and
don't think I play like an idiot. Should I find a new game? Any advice?

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What's the real secret? Do people really make good money at VP? Can
anyone?
I got the Frugal VP from Jean last year. I studied it. I practiced. I went
to Vegas. I lost all my money. I thought I was playing perfect strategy.
I've been playing VP on and off for 15 years, and never come out ahead.
I've
only gotten 5 Royal Flushes in my lifetime. I'm an intelligent person and
don't think I play like an idiot. Should I find a new game? Any advice?

1. Play the best games available. Be sure to include cashback in your
calculation. For the tourist, this really just means stick to FPDW.

2. Play sober, play alert. Vacationers tend to break these
rules due to the short time and desire to drink as part of the fun.

3. Stay away from poorly regulated casinos. This is more or less
saying stay away from indian casinos, since most state casinos are
tightly regulated.

4. I am guessing you have played no more than 500,000 hands of VP.
If so, being behind is unlucky but not amazingly so.

You did not say if all your play has been 0.25 FPDW or if it has
been a mix of denominations and games. If it is the latter, then
your results for this amount of play are going to very prone to
being subject to the whims of lady luck.

QZ

The "secret" as Quadzilla said, is to play only good machines and play as close to perfectly as possible. Follow his advice, it's good.
   You don't say where you live. Is it in or near Vegas or AC or another regulated jurisdiction? How often do you gamble? That has a lot to do with it. If you live in Nebraska, and go to Vegas once a year, it may not be worth the effort for you to learn all the strategies. If you live in Philadelphia and go to AC once a week, better ]keep practicing. There are plenty of up and down swings in the game, and you could have just been unlucky in Vegas. I usually am.
   I live about 10 miles from AC and gamble 3 or 4 times a week, depending on the promotions and what else is going on in my life. I keep a separate bank account for all VP activity (If I play reels or blackjack, that comes out of my regular budget.) If I win, it all goes right back into the account. Cashback and bounce-back cash, as well as anything I win in promotions (free spins, drawings, etc.) goes into that account. I also keep all my results on a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet, so I can tell instantaneously how I'm doing for the month or year. BTW, playing this often, I usually hit only five or six royals a year.
   For myself, after two years of playing advantage VP in Atlantic City _ where the games aren't as good as in Vegas _ I am slightly behind in my gambling itself, with cashback and promotional money bringing me to about even. (I have a real job.) The comps, gifts, free rooms when I want them, etc. are gravy. At one point, I was down almost $4,000. I could have quit, but decided to add to my bankroll, buy Win Poker to improve my skills, and got back to even.
   Hone those skills and good luck.

Elaine
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What's the real secret? Do people really make good money at VP? Can
anyone?
I got the Frugal VP from Jean last year. I studied it. I practiced. I went
to Vegas. I lost all my money. I thought I was playing perfect strategy.
I've been playing VP on and off for 15 years, and never come out ahead.
I've
only gotten 5 Royal Flushes in my lifetime. I'm an intelligent person and
don't think I play like an idiot. Should I find a new game? Any advice?

1. Play the best games available. Be sure to include cashback in your
calculation. For the tourist, this really just means stick to FPDW.

2. Play sober, play alert. Vacationers tend to break these
rules due to the short time and desire to drink as part of the fun.

3. Stay away from poorly regulated casinos. This is more or less
saying stay away from indian casinos, since most state casinos are
tightly regulated.

4. I am guessing you have played no more than 500,000 hands of VP.
If so, being behind is unlucky but not amazingly so.

You did not say if all your play has been 0.25 FPDW or if it has
been a mix of denominations and games. If it is the latter, then
your results for this amount of play are going to very prone to
being subject to the whims of lady luck.

QZ

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You're learning one of the secrets of the game that others know also, but
may not always like to talk about. That is simply this: perfect play
vastly increases the chances of winning because it keeps you in the game
longer. But it is not a guarantee of winning, either short term or long
term.

This is still a random game, and it is reactive, not proactive. That is,
despite all efforts to control the outcome, it's still up in the air. In
the short term, you are likely to see wide deviations in the expected long
term outcome. Even in the long term, you may see the same kinds of
fluctuations, although the math says that you *probably* will see the
expected results.

Big wins are often the results of two factors: correct strategy is the
first, and fortunate random occurrences (or luck) are the other. The first
helps you to be there for the second.

I wouldn't fault the strategy, assuming you're playing correctly. It's just
the deviations that none of us can control. Maybe it'll turn around.

lb

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----- Original Message -----
From: <THORSON59@AOL.COM>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 5:44 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Secret?

What's the real secret? Do people really make good money at VP? Can

anyone?

I got the Frugal VP from Jean last year. I studied it. I practiced. I

went

to Vegas. I lost all my money. I thought I was playing perfect strategy.
I've been playing VP on and off for 15 years, and never come out ahead.

I've

only gotten 5 Royal Flushes in my lifetime. I'm an intelligent person and
don't think I play like an idiot. Should I find a new game? Any

advice?

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Now that was the most intelligent answer I've seen.

Bottom line, it's still gambling, and we need some luck to win. (I'm
sure hoping for some GOOD luck soon, 'cause I'm tired of staying
sober ALL the time)

:wink:

Marsha

You're learning one of the secrets of the game that others know

also, but

may not always like to talk about. That is simply this: perfect

play

vastly increases the chances of winning because it keeps you in the

game

longer. But it is not a guarantee of winning, either short term or

long

term.

This is still a random game, and it is reactive, not proactive.

That is,

despite all efforts to control the outcome, it's still up in the

air. In

the short term, you are likely to see wide deviations in the

expected long

term outcome. Even in the long term, you may see the same kinds of
fluctuations, although the math says that you *probably* will see

the

expected results.

Big wins are often the results of two factors: correct strategy is

the

first, and fortunate random occurrences (or luck) are the other.

The first

helps you to be there for the second.

I wouldn't fault the strategy, assuming you're playing correctly.

It's just

the deviations that none of us can control. Maybe it'll turn

around.

lb

From: <THORSON59@A...>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 31, 2003 5:44 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Secret?

> What's the real secret? Do people really make good money at VP?

Can

anyone?
> I got the Frugal VP from Jean last year. I studied it. I

practiced. I

went
> to Vegas. I lost all my money. I thought I was playing perfect

strategy.

> I've been playing VP on and off for 15 years, and never come out

ahead.

I've
> only gotten 5 Royal Flushes in my lifetime. I'm an intelligent

person and

> don't think I play like an idiot. Should I find a new game?

Any

advice?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> vpFREE Home Page:
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Lawrence Boxer" <ljboxer@e...> wrote:

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A perfect player, playing a negative machine will eventually lose all
of the money.
What games are you playing?

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On Fri, 31 Jan 2003 08:44:06 EST, you wrote:

What's the real secret? Do people really make good money at VP? Can anyone?
I got the Frugal VP from Jean last year. I studied it. I practiced. I went
to Vegas. I lost all my money. I thought I was playing perfect strategy.
I've been playing VP on and off for 15 years, and never come out ahead. I've
only gotten 5 Royal Flushes in my lifetime. I'm an intelligent person and
don't think I play like an idiot. Should I find a new game? Any advice?

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