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scanning IDs

#1

It is not all that rare for your ID to be scanned or photographed in many
casinos. At Coasts they are constantly photographing IDs every time you get
cashback or other transactions at the reward center. Other casinos are putting
your photo onto their slot cards. Palms and Harrah's does this (optional)
for higher players - which actually makes it easier to use the card when you
swipe your card for a comp.

No doubt with higher security concerns nationwide (fallout from 9-11) more
and more places will be adding photos to IDs, Visa cards, and the like.

Unfortunately this is the now and the future. A National ID card is coming
soon from the US Government - in some form - which may not be called that but
in effect it will be.

Also fingerprints are being added to passports.

At every turn businesses are asking for your Social Security Card number
(though this is supposed to be illegal - but they do it). Certainly casinos ask
for this information when you sign up for a slot club.

Hosts can look you up on the internet via a search and find out all about
you (I know this has been done).

Cameras are everywhere - on street corners, in stores, in hotels --
everywhere -- recording you. The good news is that they occasionally catch criminals
because of this.

So all in all - privacy is on its way out.

With so many people in a casino asking to see my ID constantly, I sometimes
wish it were just stenciled on my forehead, along with my Social Security
number.

Strangely, or perhaps not so strangely, at the same time, theft of identity
is becoming a major problem. I just read that 5% of the people in the US have
this problem. That number seems large, but that was the statistic in the
newspaper.

So don't get too bent out of shape by Wynn's policy. It is just one of the
many and soon-to-be many more.

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#2

So don't get too bent out of shape by Wynn's policy. It is just one

of the

many and soon-to-be many more.

Maybe if more people WOULD get bent out of shape at policies such as
this it wouldn't become the norm.... The passive attitude that most
people take regarding the erosion of their personal civil liberties is
to blame.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, misscraps@a... wrote:

#3

It is always a delicate balance between personal liberty and personal security. We each
have to ask ourselves which is the more important for ourselves, for our families, and for
our communities. We do not live in isolation.

It is a delicate subject, with feelings and emotions close to the surface, as we look around
today at the world in which we are living.

There is not one answer, equally acceptable to all people.

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@c...> wrote:

Maybe if more people WOULD get bent out of shape at policies such as
this it wouldn't become the norm.... The passive attitude that most
people take regarding the erosion of their personal civil liberties is
to blame.

#4

I certainly understand security concerns, but as a victim of
identity theft I have strong reservations about just who should have
any of my personal information. Casinos, under the disguise of
giving me some comps, would rate very low in the pecking order of
who should have this information. Who in the casinos system can
access your information, could a person who is part of an identity
theft ring do this? Seems a likely target.

As far as a national identity card goes, today I would go along but
again with the sense of loss of freedom. Reminds of very much of
those old movies taking place in Europe, where the first question
asked is "papers please."

Victoria

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
wrote:

It is always a delicate balance between personal liberty and

personal security. We each

have to ask ourselves which is the more important for ourselves,

for our families, and for

our communities. We do not live in isolation.

It is a delicate subject, with feelings and emotions close to the

surface, as we look around

today at the world in which we are living.

There is not one answer, equally acceptable to all people.

.....bl

>
> Maybe if more people WOULD get bent out of shape at policies

such as

> this it wouldn't become the norm.... The passive attitude that

most

> people take regarding the erosion of their personal civil

liberties is

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@c...> wrote:
> to blame.

#5

I understand you, in spirit, on all of this, Victoria!

But, not to prolong this, what if the airplane hijackers of 9/11 had been asked
"papers please", before they got onto their respective airplanes?

Even better, if they were asked "papers please" before they entered the USA.

As an aside, biometric information on our credit cards and the like could go a
long way to prevent "identify theft".

Just one person's feelings (and they are my feelings, for good or for ill).

Now to wait for the "flames".

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ros4144" <ros4144@y...> wrote:

As far as a national identity card goes, today I would go along but
again with the sense of loss of freedom. Reminds of very much of
those old movies taking place in Europe, where the first question
asked is "papers please."

Victoria

#6

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
wrote:

I understand you, in spirit, on all of this, Victoria!

But, not to prolong this, what if the airplane hijackers of 9/11

had been asked

"papers please", before they got onto their respective airplanes?

They would have had them, they also would have been first in line to
make a "loyalty pledge" as good Americans.

Even better, if they were asked "papers please" before they entered

the USA.

Most did have papers, criminals do prepare to do harm, that is why
they are criminals.

As an aside, biometric information on our credit cards and the like

could go a

long way to prevent "identify theft".

with our goverment "approval"& "permission" of course & it will be

on a goverment data base for "our own good"

Just one person's feelings (and they are my feelings, for good or

for ill).

Now to wait for the "flames".

.....bl

No flames intended, sorry if I disapoint.

Without our freedoms we are nothin but Canada with better weather.

M J

>
> As far as a national identity card goes, today I would go along

but

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ros4144" <ros4144@y...> wrote:
> again with the sense of loss of freedom. Reminds of very much of
> those old movies taking place in Europe, where the first question
> asked is "papers please."
>
> Victoria

#7

> So don't get too bent out of shape by Wynn's policy. It is just

one

of the
> many and soon-to-be many more.
>

Maybe if more people WOULD get bent out of shape at policies such

as

this it wouldn't become the norm.... The passive attitude that most
people take regarding the erosion of their personal civil liberties

is

to blame.

Hear! Hear! I, for one, am one of those people with "Question
Authority" tattooed across my forehead. You want my what? And exactly
for what reason?

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "hockeystl" <vegasstl@c...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, misscraps@a... wrote:

#8

wrote:

I understand you, in spirit, on all of this, Victoria!

But, not to prolong this, what if the airplane hijackers of 9/11 had

been asked

"papers please", before they got onto their respective airplanes?

Even better, if they were asked "papers please" before they entered

the USA.

The fact is that Mohammad Atta had a multiple entry visa to the USA,
courtesy of the Department of State. You want better security? Perhaps
the US Department of State should try simply not issuing visas to
anyone from a list of the twenty or so countries which are breeding
these monsters. Don't tell me you want to come here to work in your
cousin's store or attend our universities. I don't want to hear it.
Try the University of Damascus or working in your home country. If it
doesn't suit you spend a little time and effort making it better.
That's how we made a country so many people want to get into.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>

#9

Born

I can live with that, but somewhere there is a big difference
between giving the government at the border or security at the
airport your papers and giving them to a clerk at a casino to get a
key ring or meal.
Victoria

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bornloser1537" <bornloser1537@y...>
wrote:

I understand you, in spirit, on all of this, Victoria!

But, not to prolong this, what if the airplane hijackers of 9/11

had been asked

"papers please", before they got onto their respective airplanes?

Even better, if they were asked "papers please" before they

entered the USA.

As an aside, biometric information on our credit cards and the

like could go a

long way to prevent "identify theft".

Just one person's feelings (and they are my feelings, for good or

for ill).

Now to wait for the "flames".

.....bl

>
> As far as a national identity card goes, today I would go along

but

> again with the sense of loss of freedom. Reminds of very much

of

> those old movies taking place in Europe, where the first

question

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "ros4144" <ros4144@y...> wrote:
> asked is "papers please."
>
> Victoria

#10

I agree! How can one argue that!

But, my poiint was that you have to pick and choose where you make your
"stands". Simply making blanket assertions, without considering the specific
circumstances is foolhardy.

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Victoria Rosado" <ros4144@y...> wrote:

Born

I can live with that, but somewhere there is a big difference
between giving the government at the border or security at the
airport your papers and giving them to a clerk at a casino to get a
key ring or meal.
Victoria

#11

bornloser1537 wrote:

I agree! How can one argue that!

But, my poiint was that you have to pick and choose where you make
your "stands". Simply making blanket assertions, without
considering the specific circumstances is foolhardy.

bl, I don't see where any one has argued against this point. But, for
that matter, I don't see that Victoria (or any other participant in
this thread) had made "blanket assertions".

From your statement, it would appear that you have little argument
that in the "specific circumsance" of casinos exercising a degree of
caution that approaches that with which states now issue driver's
licenses the casinos have over stepped the bounds of reason.

Victoria's general point is that there's cause for concern any time an
entity encroaches upon individual rights to freedom and privacy and
such a move warrants scrutiny for reasonableness.

History has demonstrated again and again that when a people's security
is threatened there is great potential that actions will be taken that
are unduly detrimental to the rights of some segment of the
population. An extreme case in point is the internment of Japanese
Americans during WWII.

No one has argued that appropriate measures to ensure the safety of
our people are unwarranted. However, at every step of the way it's
critical to examine the need and efficacy of those actions to
ascertain that they are indeed appropriate.

I don't sense that you have any argument with any of this. So just
understand that Victoria hasn't taken a stance that is in any way in
opposition to yours.

- Harry

#12

I agree! She has not. It seems as if Victoria and I are both on the same page.

But several others, in the thread, have. (In my opinion, anyway).

If you have not seen that, that is your opinion. So. you and I are in agreement also, to
agree not to agreee,

Boy, I am really in an agreeable mood today! <smile>

.....bl

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Porter" <harry.porter@v...> wrote:

bl, I don't see where any one has argued against this point. But, for
that matter, I don't see that Victoria (or any other participant in
this thread) had made "blanket assertions".

#13

I will not participate in any player's club that requires more than
my name, date of birth, address & phone number. I will NOT, under
any circumstances, reveal my Social Security number or Driver's
License number. So far, I have not been denied access to any club I
wished to join. Perhaps this is because I have belonged to most of
the clubs since their inception (and well prior to 9/11).

Sometimes I need to call a supervisor to intervene, when a boothling
refuses to give me a player's card. That has always worked after
I've explained my reasons.

I do have to show my DL when accessing CB/FreePlay/Comps, but, in
Illinois, at least, the DL does NOT contain your ss#. I do not allow
my DL to be photographed.

If the casino demanded more information than I was willing to
provide, I would take my business elsewhere.

Babe

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Rich" <canoebum@h...> wrote:

Hear! Hear! I, for one, am one of those people with "Question
Authority" tattooed across my forehead. You want my what? And
exactly for what reason?