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If you saw my mail offers, you would know that they wouldn't stack the odds in my favor. I wouldn't say that I win often on their draws. I'd say that my name gets picked often enough that I believe that they are fair and honest. Let's call it all a matter of faith. If you believe you are being cheated you shouldn't give them your business. There are enough casinos in the area that you can easily eliminate all of the Boyd properties and have lots of good places to go to. Regards
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A.P....Glad you responded. It seems to me that when 6 choices are presented it appears as a choice you have to make among 6 specific outcomes that is not pre determined. Just like a virtual drawing appears will be randomly selected with all entries given equal chance and no winner pre determined. I have no idea what would keep Boyd from selecting who they want to win and make sure that entry is "selected" Prehaps since you have won often you are one of the lucky ones who they have determined should win more than the number of entries you have in the hopper would warrant.
The point is if a company will show a fictional game as random what is to keep them from doing that with other promotional games? How in the world do you really know that they are simulating a real drum virtually? Proving it is not random would be MUCH hard or impossible as compared with the YAH multiplier game which is very easy to prove. HOw difficult it is to prove an unfair game is occuring in the virtual drawing only increases the chance that they are per selecting winners...if they do it (as they clearly do) with the YAH game when it is easy to prove it is hard to believe they would not see the drawing as a way to reward who they want to reward.

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#22

I'm resending because I forgot to reformat.

If you saw my mail offers, you would know that they wouldn't stack the odds in my favor. I wouldn't say that I win often on their draws. I'd say that my name gets picked often enough that I believe that they are fair and honest. Let's call it all a matter of faith. If you believe you are being cheated you shouldn't give them your business. There are enough casinos in the area that you can easily eliminate all of the Boyd properties and have lots of good places to go to.

Regards
A.P.

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A.P....Glad you responded. It seems to me that when 6 choices are presented it appears as a choice you have to make among 6 specific outcomes that is not pre determined. Just like a virtual drawing appears will be randomly selected with all entries given equal chance and no winner pre determined. I have no idea what would keep Boyd from selecting who they want to win and make sure that entry is "selected" Prehaps since you have won often you are one of the lucky ones who they have determined should win more than the number of entries you have in the hopper would warrant.
The point is if a company will show a fictional game as random what is to keep them from doing that with other promotional games? How in the world do you really know that they are simulating a real drum virtually? Proving it is not random would be MUCH hard or impossible as compared with the YAH multiplier game which is very easy to prove. HOw difficult it is to prove an unfair game is occuring in the virtual drawing only increases the chance that they are per selecting winners...if they do it (as they clearly do) with the YAH game when it is easy to prove it is hard to believe they would not see the drawing as a way to reward who they want to reward.

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#23

did u ever watch players play wheel of fortune ? When they spin the wheel do you think all outcomes have an equal chance from 20$$ to 1000$$ even tho the spaces are equal on the wheel ?

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A.P....Glad you responded. It seems to me that when 6 choices are presented it appears as a choice you have to make among 6 specific outcomes that is not pre determined. Just like a virtual drawing appears will be randomly selected with all entries given equal chance and no winner pre determined. I have no idea what would keep Boyd from selecting who they want to win and make sure that entry is "selected" Prehaps since you have won often you are one of the lucky ones who they have determined should win more than the number of entries you have in the hopper would warrant.
The point is if a company will show a fictional game as random what is to keep them from doing that with other promotional games? How in the world do you really know that they are simulating a real drum virtually? Proving it is not random would be MUCH hard or impossible as compared with the YAH multiplier game which is very easy to prove. HOw difficult it is to prove an unfair game is occuring in the virtual drawing only increases the chance that they are per selecting winners...if they do it (as they clearly do) with the YAH game when it is easy to prove it is hard to believe they would not see the drawing as a way to reward who they want to reward.

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I don't believe for a second that all the spots have equal chances, but I'd be willing to bet that most of the players do think that the chances are equal.

Regards
A.P.

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did u ever watch players play wheel of fortune ? When they spin the wheel do you think all outcomes have an equal chance from 20$$ to 1000$$ even tho the spaces are equal on the wheel ?

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A.P....Glad you responded. It seems to me that when 6 choices are presented it appears as a choice you have to make among 6 specific outcomes that is not pre determined. Just like a virtual drawing appears will be randomly selected with all entries given equal chance and no winner pre determined. I have no idea what would keep Boyd from selecting who they want to win and make sure that entry is "selected" Prehaps since you have won often you are one of the lucky ones who they have determined should win more than the number of entries you have in the hopper would warrant.
The point is if a company will show a fictional game as random what is to keep them from doing that with other promotional games? How in the world do you really know that they are simulating a real drum virtually? Proving it is not random would be MUCH hard or impossible as compared with the YAH multiplier game which is very easy to prove. HOw difficult it is to prove an unfair game is occuring in the virtual drawing only increases the chance that they are per selecting winners...if they do it (as they clearly do) with the YAH game when it is easy to prove it is hard to believe they would not see the drawing as a way to reward who they want to reward.

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morning, we agree, anyone who plays that game might think all the spots on the wheel have an equal chance, that's why they play it, no ? Did u ever play the swipe promo at south point ? I haven't been in there in over a year BUT, the players with the highest mailer 99 % of the time got 25 -50 $$ in value, the lowest mailer people got 5 $$, buffets etc, obviously this isn't random. Its a FREE BONUS , an extra , they have no obligation to give away free extras in equal amounts ,right ? Look at the screen, does BYD ever represent that all six spots have an equal chance to win, the multiple swipe ? Does south point represent to players that all players have an equal chance on all the prizes being offered ? I doubt it.

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I don't believe for a second that all the spots have equal chances, but I'd be willing to bet that most of the players do think that the chances are equal.

Regards
A.P.

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did u ever watch players play wheel of fortune ? When they spin the wheel do you think all outcomes have an equal chance from 20$$ to 1000$$ even tho the spaces are equal on the wheel ?

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A.P....Glad you responded. It seems to me that when 6 choices are presented it appears as a choice you have to make among 6 specific outcomes that is not pre determined. Just like a virtual drawing appears will be randomly selected with all entries given equal chance and no winner pre determined. I have no idea what would keep Boyd from selecting who they want to win and make sure that entry is "selected" Prehaps since you have won often you are one of the lucky ones who they have determined should win more than the number of entries you have in the hopper would warrant.
The point is if a company will show a fictional game as random what is to keep them from doing that with other promotional games? How in the world do you really know that they are simulating a real drum virtually? Proving it is not random would be MUCH hard or impossible as compared with the YAH multiplier game which is very easy to prove. HOw difficult it is to prove an unfair game is occuring in the virtual drawing only increases the chance that they are per selecting winners...if they do it (as they clearly do) with the YAH game when it is easy to prove it is hard to believe they would not see the drawing as a way to reward who they want to reward.

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#26

It is one thing to give out promotions in an unequal fashion for whatever purpose a casino wants to. Boyd does this on Thursday multi point days. YOu just pick a button to reveal what your multiplier is. THere is no pretext of a game of chance, they clearly give whoever they want good or bad multipliers. It does not even appear that you have any type of gamble involve. I have NO PROBLEM with this method of assigning a promotion.
Totally different thing on YAH day when it surely appears that you have a 1 in 6 chance of getting the top award. Why is this reasonable, legal, and appropriate?

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#27

". . . . . it is hard to believe they would not see the drawing as a way to reward who they want to reward. . . . . ."

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Why?

Not, "hard to believe", but "reward who they want to reward."

The only thing I can think of is steering the reward to those with a "high roller" history. Seems unfair, but I suppose it makes sense from the casino's viewpoint.

- - Norma

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#28

Someone wrote: <<did u ever watch players play wheel of fortune ? When they spin the wheel do you think all outcomes have an equal chance from 20$$ to 1000$$ even though the spaces are equal on the wheel ? >>

I wrote in one of my books:

Now, I really hate to have to write about the next misconception; I feel like I'm telling a room full of kindergartners that there's no Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy. If you don't want to have your dreams spoiled, then you better skip these next few paragraphs.

     Let's examine the Wheel of Fortune for a lesson. I often stop to watch when the bonus is activated on this machine; I bet you do too. You can actually see the player and the watchers with big eyes, holding their breath as the wheel slows down near a big number. And when it just misses, you can hear the collective sigh of disappointment. I know most people think that the player almost had that big payoff, that if the momentum of the wheel had been just a little more, or less, the player would have hit "the big one." Casinos-and slot manufacturers-know human nature; they know that this feature will get people to play longer. "I'm getting so close! I can just feel that I'm going to hit the big payoff soon."

     The fact of the matter is that this player had no chance of getting the big bonus on this particular spin even though the wheel almost got to the largest number. Bonus wins are chosen the same way the base game chooses outcomes: by the RNG. The bonus had already been chosen by the RNG before the wheel started turning. You don't have an equal chance of the wheel stopping at any one of the bonus number. This isn't a mechanical wheel governed by the laws of gravity; it's an electronic device governed by the RNG, operating in the same way I talked about earlier in this chapter.

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#29

hi jean, hope all is well with you both. Years ago a well know poker player and book writer and I discussed this issue at length, the , near miss, con. Local Casino GMs we talked with thought about it but only Bob Stupak acted on it. For a while he took all these low payout , near miss, revenue participation , con games out of Vegas World, BUT, suckers LOVE to get ripped off ! It didn't last long players demanded the opportunity to get, conned. At the very least those bonus wheels should make it clear the lower payouts are a huge favorite over the higher payouts by making spacing on the wheel some what more accurate , 30 years later, nothing has changed ! Take care.

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Someone wrote: <<did u ever watch players play wheel of fortune ? When they spin the wheel do you think all outcomes have an equal chance from 20$$ to 1000$$ even though the spaces are equal on the wheel ? >>

I wrote in one of my books:

Now, I really hate to have to write about the next misconception; I feel like I'm telling a room full of kindergartners that there's no Santa Claus or Tooth Fairy. If you don't want to have your dreams spoiled, then you better skip these next few paragraphs.

Let's examine the Wheel of Fortune for a lesson. I often stop to watch when the bonus is activated on this machine; I bet you do too. You can actually see the player and the watchers with big eyes, holding their breath as the wheel slows down near a big number. And when it just misses, you can hear the collective sigh of disappointment. I know most people think that the player almost had that big payoff, that if the momentum of the wheel had been just a little more, or less, the player would have hit "the big one." Casinos-and slot manufacturers-know human nature; they know that this feature will get people to play longer. "I'm getting so close! I can just feel that I'm going to hit the big payoff soon."

The fact of the matter is that this player had no chance of getting the big bonus on this particular spin even though the wheel almost got to the largest number. Bonus wins are chosen the same way the base game chooses outcomes: by the RNG. The bonus had already been chosen by the RNG before the wheel started turning. You don't have an equal chance of the wheel stopping at any one of the bonus number. This isn't a mechanical wheel governed by the laws of gravity; it's an electronic device governed by the RNG, operating in the same way I talked about earlier in this chapter.

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QueenOfComps.com
Frugal Vegas blog - http://jscott.lvablog.com/
TAX HELP FOR GAMBLERS, 2015 digital edition.
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#30

morning, I guess if byd wanted to be fully transparent they would make the 10xs point box VERY small, the 15 xs point box VERY VERY small, and the 4 xs point box HALF the screen , but after all these years you can connect the dots on your own, no ? Funny thing, last month on an Indian reservation in Cali I expected the 100$$ maybe 200 $$ free play on the final level of a promo, that required coin in, like I received the previous 20 xs I reached the fifth level, BUT, this time I got the max, 1000$$ in free play ! I took a picture to show the players and the employees so they knew it was possible !

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It is one thing to give out promotions in an unequal fashion for whatever purpose a casino wants to. Boyd does this on Thursday multi point days. YOu just pick a button to reveal what your multiplier is. THere is no pretext of a game of chance, they clearly give whoever they want good or bad multipliers. It does not even appear that you have any type of gamble involve. I have NO PROBLEM with this method of assigning a promotion.
Totally different thing on YAH day when it surely appears that you have a 1 in 6 chance of getting the top award. Why is this reasonable, legal, and appropriate?

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