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Same machine, same Pay Schedule, program not the same -- true or false?

#1

On some games you should get very slightly fewer quads and full houses when
playing the progressive because you tend to adjust your strategy toward the
RF.
Example: On Jacks or Better, the three royal becomes better than a high
pair at a very low progressive.
Win Poker shows 9-6 jacks with quads every 423.27 hands and FH every 86.86
hands.
With a 5000 coin progressive this is 424.70 and 87.08.

[Original Message]
From: gilbert_616 <gilbert_616@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 12/8/2003 11:08:23 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Same machine, same Pay Schedule, program not the same

-- true or false?

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If 2 identical machines (meaning the same make (IGT), same pay
schedule except 1 is a Progressive and the other a non-Progressive)
are compared, are they supposed to be programmed the same or
different? Sorry for being so naive in this topic. I should be
reading more vp books, I guess.

Maybe it's just all coincidence but, it seems to me that quads, full
houses, etc. come out more frequently in the non-progressive machines
than the progressive ones (same pay schedules).

In the case where the progressive's pay schedule is less, then I
would think that these machines are programmed the same way as the
non-progressive machines.

Appreciate your input very much!

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#2

Howard Stern wrote:

On some games you should get very slightly fewer quads and full houses when
playing the progressive because you tend to adjust your strategy toward the
RF.

This seems logical, and I'm sure it's true as a general rule ...

Example: On Jacks or Better, the three royal becomes better than a high
pair at a very low progressive.
Win Poker shows 9-6 jacks with quads every 423.27 hands and FH every 86.86
hands.
With a 5000 coin progressive this is 424.70 and 87.08.

... however ... it is unfortunate that the example you gave just happens to work out to a contradiction to what you just said. For _whatever_ reason, with the Royal set at 5000, you actually get a slight _increase_ in the number of quads and FHs. Just look up at those figures you posted ... which are absolutely correct according to WinPoker. It is this type of anomaly which makes it somewhat difficult to accurately predict changes in strategy with changes in paytable, and something that I've found to make it just a little bit harder to work out strategies.

But in principle, I know what you meant to demonstrate, and I'm pretty sure that you are correct ... i.e., that the stats _generally_ DO follow, as you've stated.

Bill Velek