"jluehring2002" wrote:
Semi newbie here. What makes the SAF A & 8 game 100.6% when
baseline A & 8 is 99.8%. I have seen the text in the SAF data base
for this game, but am not understanding it completely.
This is a 25c game with a $20,000 sequential royal, progressive
Quad A's and Quad 8's, and Quad 7's pay double. These extra
bonuses increase the EV from 99.8% to 100.6%.
vpFae
The Quad 7's pay double are already included in the 99.8% payback. The
increase to 100.6% (actually 100.57%) comes exclusively from the
$20000 sequential royal.
Unfortunately the cycle time for a sequential royal is close to 1.85
million hands if playing max EV strategy. And I have a hard time doing
that. Noticing a 3 card seq. royal in a 2 pair hand or jack and king
suited in the correct positions in a 4 card straight is very hard for
me. When playing a strategy that ignores the seq. royal, the cycle
time goes to more than 2.4 million hands and the payback drops to
100.4%. (All numbers according to Frugal Video Poker)
I personally disregard the seq. royal, when evaluating plays. Maybe I
should remove the 100.6% reference from the database.
This particular play is a good play, even if you disregard the seq.
royal but include the slot club benefits. But be warned, it's not the
nicest location in the casino. Due to the restrooms there's a lot of
traffic, noise and smell in the area.
Regards,
Heppel
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpfae6128305@...> wrote:
"jluehring2002" wrote:
> Semi newbie here. What makes the SAF A & 8 game 100.6% when
> baseline A & 8 is 99.8%. I have seen the text in the SAF data base
> for this game, but am not understanding it completely.
This is a 25c game with a $20,000 sequential royal, progressive
Quad A's and Quad 8's, and Quad 7's pay double. These extra
bonuses increase the EV from 99.8% to 100.6%.
vpFae wrote:
> This is a 25c game with a $20,000 sequential royal, progressive
> Quad A's and Quad 8's, and Quad 7's pay double. These extra
> bonuses increase the EV from 99.8% to 100.6%.
On 2 Mar 2007 at 7:39, heppel58 replied:
The Quad 7's pay double are already included in the 99.8% payback. The
increase to 100.6% (actually 100.57%) comes exclusively from the
$20000 sequential royal.
Thanks for the correction. I've never played A + 8 and didn't
realize that the basic game pays double for quad 7's. We
probably should take the quad 7's notation out of the SAF
game description, since it isn't unique to those machines.
vpFae
Just out of curiosity - what does the acronym SAF stand for? I don't
find it in the vpFREE Glossary. Thanks, in advance!!
Neil
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpfae6128305@...> wrote:
vpFae wrote:
. . . We probably should take the quad 7's notation out of the SAF
game description, since it isn't unique to those machines.vpFae
Slots-A-Fun, a small casino next door to Circus Circus.
Regards,
Heppel
P.S.: This is my second attempt to reply, I got an error message from
Yahoo the first time around: "Error retrieving message #71504"
followed by "Yahoo group vpfree temporarily unavailable" ...
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "nemartin2002" <nemartin2002@...> wrote:
Just out of curiosity - what does the acronym SAF stand for? I don't
find it in the vpFREE Glossary. Thanks, in advance!!
> "jluehring2002" wrote:
> > Semi newbie here. What makes the SAF A & 8 game 100.6% when
> > baseline A & 8 is 99.8%. I have seen the text in the SAF data
base
> > for this game, but am not understanding it completely.
> This is a 25c game with a $20,000 sequential royal, progressive
> Quad A's and Quad 8's, and Quad 7's pay double. These extra
> bonuses increase the EV from 99.8% to 100.6%.The Quad 7's pay double are already included in the 99.8% payback.
The
increase to 100.6% (actually 100.57%) comes exclusively from the
$20000 sequential royal.Unfortunately the cycle time for a sequential royal is close to 1.85
million hands if playing max EV strategy. And I have a hard time
doing
that. Noticing a 3 card seq. royal in a 2 pair hand or jack and king
suited in the correct positions in a 4 card straight is very hard
for
me. When playing a strategy that ignores the seq. royal, the cycle
time goes to more than 2.4 million hands and the payback drops to
100.4%. (All numbers according to Frugal Video Poker)I personally disregard the seq. royal, when evaluating plays. Maybe
I
should remove the 100.6% reference from the database.
This particular play is a good play, even if you disregard the seq.
royal but include the slot club benefits. But be warned, it's not
the
nicest location in the casino. Due to the restrooms there's a lot of
traffic, noise and smell in the area.Regards,
Heppel
Thanks for the info Heppel. Disregarding the seq RF, how accurate is
JoB strategy for the SAF A&8's game.
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "heppel58" <heppel58@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae" <vpfae6128305@> wrote:
9/6 JOB strategy is pretty close (within 1 tenth of a percent) to the
optimal return of the basic game without a sequential royal. Actually
this is a variant of the 8/5 bonus poker game. The bonuses are just
different (and better) compared to the regular 8/5 bonus poker game.
Please see Bob Dancer's writeup on the differences between 9/6 games
and 8/5 games in his Casinogaming column. (Sorry, I don't have the URL
handy.)
The only other enhancement that I'm aware of, is to keep a pair of
eights over a four card flush without any high card.
I personally try to play for the seq. royal if I see it. A, 10 seq for
example is easy to see because both cards have to be at the extreme
ends but I evaluate the game as being worth 99.75%, which is the
return of the nonsequential game using the sequential strategy.
Regards,
Heppel
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jluehring2002" <jluehring2002@...> wrote:
Thanks for the info Heppel. Disregarding the seq RF, how accurate is
JoB strategy for the SAF A&8's game.