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Ruminations on the Jumbo Jackpot

#1

That agrees with what I was told by a GVRS exec. If you play a hand at least
every 30 seconds, you are eligible for the JJ itself, and also for the $50.

The Station cards do eventually time-out, but it takes much longer, maybe
ten or fifteen minutes.

Also, all "eligible" machines have an equal chance of hitting the JJ. When
the JJ was first introduced, the chances of hitting was directly related to
dollars played through the machine.

Brian

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In a message dated 8/26/2006 10:30:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,
vphobby2@cox.net writes:

You must have played within 30 seconds of the JJ hitting.

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#2

Brian wrote: The Station cards do eventually time-out, but it takes much
longer, maybe
ten or fifteen minutes.

That was the way it USED to work. Now Boarding Pass cards appear to time
out in about 30 seconds. I assume this was made because of JJ "abuse",
but it's not hard to keep five or more penny slot machines going if you
have a 30-second window to do it in.

I remember one night I was playing in the high-limit room Palace when
the Daily Jackpot (a lesser $15,000-$25,000 version of JJ that sometimes
is in effect, where everyone other than the winner receives $25) was at
$24,500, and one of the floor people came in and was aghast that a
player was playing one penny at a time on five adjacent machines ---
waiting for the DJ to hit and collect his $25 per machine. I was told
(unverified) that the slot shift manager told him that if was only
playing one penny at a time he was limited to two machines.

If it becomes common practice for players to play multiple (more than 2)
machines, one coin at a time, when the DJ or JJ gets high, you can bet
the Station will take counter measures. As a corporation, they have
limited tolerance for advantage players. Exactly how they will do it is
unknown, but it WILL take place.

Perhaps someone would care to post an over/under number on how long this
will take. Since it's been discussed at length on this forum recently,
several players have "gotten the good idea" about doing this. If this
noticeably increases the number of players acting this way, and being
successful at it, Station will act.

Of course, the jackpot doesn't get really high very often. Someone was
discussing here what he'd do if the JJ got to $149,500 again. It
probably has gotten that high two or three times in a couple of years.
Usually it hits considerably before that (it has hit under $101K).
Anyone who uses $149,500 as the strike number will need to be VERY
patient waiting for it to get there.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

#3

(Jumbo Jackpot Discussion)

There is something of an urban myth, it may or may not be true, about
the Jumbos. Stations runs Acres tracking systems, as do many of the
former Mandalay properties. One former Mandalay property, whose name
need not be mentioned here, also ran Acres, and had an "instant
millionaire" promotion for several months. Seemed like many of the
instant millionare winners, the first three or four for certain, had
just put their card into the machine and were perhaps the last person
to have put their card into the reader when the jackpot went off. This
casino is nowhere near Vegas.

By the same token, I happened to be in Vegas one day and heard the
Jumbo at GVR was over 149K, so I ended up playing 10-6 DDB, that was
the best game available to me as all the optimun plays at the south
entrance were taken and the progressives were not good enough to play.
It got hit about 30 minutes after I started playing, by a gentleman
who was playing quarter Optimum Play, and had just put his card in the
machine-at least that's the story. I'm aware a number of people
believe in the same myth, but I've seen it in two different cities,
but with the same tracking system.

The last time it got hit, I was at Red Rock having breakfast (2am)
with some friends and played it for maybe 15 minutes-no way was I
waiting to 7 or 8am to try to make $50.

Finally, I really wonder if the JJ is as random as they say it is. I
believe it's programmed to go off at non-peak times, and certainly
programmed not to go off at peak ones. I don't see it going off on a
Friday evening at, say 5pm. I also don't see it going off on a
three-day weekend before, say, 10p Monday, but I really don't know. It
just seems that way.

The JJ shouldn't affect your decision to play at a Stations or not,
but I'm sure it does for some people.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

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#4

Brian wrote: The Station cards do eventually time-out, but it

takes much

longer, maybe
ten or fifteen minutes.

That was the way it USED to work. Now Boarding Pass cards appear

to time

out in about 30 seconds. I assume this was made because of

JJ "abuse",

but it's not hard to keep five or more penny slot machines going

if you

have a 30-second window to do it in.

I remember one night I was playing in the high-limit room Palace

when

the Daily Jackpot (a lesser $15,000-$25,000 version of JJ that

sometimes

is in effect, where everyone other than the winner receives $25)

was at

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@...> wrote:

$24,500, and one of the floor people came in and was aghast that a
player was playing one penny at a time on five adjacent machines --

-

waiting for the DJ to hit and collect his $25 per machine. I was

told

(unverified) that the slot shift manager told him that if was only
playing one penny at a time he was limited to two machines.

If it becomes common practice for players to play multiple (more

than 2)

machines, one coin at a time, when the DJ or JJ gets high, you can

bet

the Station will take counter measures. As a corporation, they have
limited tolerance for advantage players. Exactly how they will do

it is

unknown, but it WILL take place.

Perhaps someone would care to post an over/under number on how

long this

will take. Since it's been discussed at length on this forum

recently,

several players have "gotten the good idea" about doing this. If

this

noticeably increases the number of players acting this way, and

being

successful at it, Station will act.

Of course, the jackpot doesn't get really high very often. Someone

was

discussing here what he'd do if the JJ got to $149,500 again. It
probably has gotten that high two or three times in a couple of

years.

Usually it hits considerably before that (it has hit under $101K).
Anyone who uses $149,500 as the strike number will need to be VERY
patient waiting for it to get there.

Bob Dancer

For the best in video poker information, visit www.bobdancer.com
or call 1-800-244-2224 M-F 9-5 Pacific Time.

According to the information that Stations posts on its website
(http://www.stationcasinos.com/templates/promo_corp_ia_nav.aspx?
p=7&d=30&v=586&pid=2682), the JJ has been hit 45 times. The recent
$149,394 jackpot was the first time it had gotten above $149k and
was the highest jackpot paid to date. The lowest was $100,717 this
past May at Red Rock (it had been hit earlier the same day at
Palace).

The mean JJ paid has been $133,508 and the median JJ has been
$136,679. Opportunities for $149k+ jackpots are likely to be very
few and far between.

Bill

#5

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"
<paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

(Jumbo Jackpot Discussion)

There is something of an urban myth, it may or may not be true, about
the Jumbos. Stations runs Acres tracking systems, as do many of the
former Mandalay properties. One former Mandalay property, whose

name

need not be mentioned here, also ran Acres, and had an "instant
millionaire" promotion for several months. Seemed like many of the
instant millionare winners, the first three or four for certain, had
just put their card into the machine and were perhaps the last person
to have put their card into the reader when the jackpot went off. This
casino is nowhere near Vegas.

Somewhere in the dark recesses of my Moose Drool addled brain I
remember walking into the Vegas Club and grabbing Gaming Today at the
Sports Book. I read Gaming Today to keep up with casino news and to get
pissed off by Rob Singer.

So I'm going through the gaming news and there was a headline: " Detroit
Motor City installs Acres Gaming's Lucky Coin Bonus System." I went back
to my hotel room, packed up the rollaway, and was in Detroit that night.
The reason why? I was familiar with the lucky coin bonus system from the
first two months Mandalay Bay was open and knew the program could
have leaks. In other words it could be exploited by a knowledgeable
player.

So when I get there I find it's this "Motorcity Millionaire" promotion. One
winner per month would get $50,000 per year for 20 years. At sometinme
during the month a machine someone was playing with card inserted
would start flashing and that person was the winner.

So there was nothing I could exploit. Luckily, the place had bonus
machines galore: nickel and quarter blue screen bingos, dollar X-factors,
big nickel IGT Visions, nickel fireworks, etc. So I was able to make the cost
of the trip back and a big fat tip. But my nut was $100 a day and I was in
Detroit, frickin, Michigan. I bailed after two weeks.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@> wrote:

#6

Bob Dancer once wrote an article about the "lucky coin" bonus system at
Mandalay Bay when it first opened. i seem to recall the article was about
how pissed the tourists were and how happy the local hustlers were over
this system.

There were around 13 banks of slots with this progressive system. A
typical bank would have three "will go" meters on it. It might be
configured something like this: will go between $50 and $100, will go
between $200 and $500, will go between $1000 and $2000. This is all
coming from my faulty memory but I think it is about right.

The first two months of Mandalay was a hustler's convention because of
this system and a couple of other systems. There was another that was
like a "times pay." The Acres Gaming people even came up and sat and
watched the hustlers trying to figure out what the hustlers had figured
out.

In the case of the "will go's" the hustler figured there was random number
generator somewhere in the bowels of the casino picking a coin number
and whoever bet that exact coin number got the bonus. At that time the
meter would reset. It was also clear to the hustler that it wasn't totally
random in the sense that a "will go" that went from $50 to $100 never
went before $80. Never! But that wasn't a playable number either
because one would burn off to much money before the meter went so we
generally waited for it to go into the low nineties.

So imagine a bank of, say 20 machines with a smattering of tourists
playing and jacking the number up and when the meter gets right the
hustlers swarming in loading two machines each and banging like hell until
someone gets the bonus. Then the hustlers would cash out leaving the
tourists to themselves until one of the meters was right again.

Bob wrote "the bonus money had to come from somewhere." It cane out
of the line pays. So the tourists were bitching like hell about this lack of
line pays while the hustlers were thanking their lucky stars for
another "gold rush" in Las Vegas.

About two months after opening Mandalay stripped the whole system out.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "weharter" <weharter@...> wrote:

According to the information that Stations posts on its website
(http://www.stationcasinos.com/templates/promo_corp_ia_nav.aspx?
p=7&d=30&v=586&pid=2682), the JJ has been hit 45 times. The recent
$149,394 jackpot was the first time it had gotten above $149k and
was the highest jackpot paid to date. The lowest was $100,717 this
past May at Red Rock (it had been hit earlier the same day at
Palace).

The mean JJ paid has been $133,508 and the median JJ has been
$136,679. Opportunities for $149k+ jackpots are likely to be very
few and far between.

Bill

#7

Does this mean you are in West Yellowstone, MT? The
only place I have found Moose Drool is at Bullwinkle's
in West Yellowstone. Have one for me!!

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--- mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@yahoo.com> wrote:

Somewhere in the dark recesses of my Moose Drool
addled brain...

#8

Moose Drool is also available in Northern Nevada.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Richard Boozer <reboozer@...> wrote:

Does this mean you are in West Yellowstone, MT? The
only place I have found Moose Drool is at Bullwinkle's
in West Yellowstone. Have one for me!!

--- mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

> Somewhere in the dark recesses of my Moose Drool
> addled brain...

#9

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"
<paladingamingllc@> wrote:
>
>
> (Jumbo Jackpot Discussion)

Somewhere in the dark recesses of my Moose Drool addled brain I
remember walking into the Vegas Club and grabbing Gaming Today at the
Sports Book. I read Gaming Today to keep up with casino news and to

get

pissed off by Rob Singer.

I think Rob is pulling our collective legs. You really can't write
for Gaming Today unless you give the impression you're a total sucker
or degenerate gambler; it is a house organ for the industry after all.
I loved Chuck Di Rocco, and miss him.

So there was nothing I could exploit. Luckily, the place had bonus
machines galore: nickel and quarter blue screen bingos, dollar

X-factors,

big nickel IGT Visions, nickel fireworks, etc. So I was able to

make the cost

of the trip back and a big fat tip. But my nut was $100 a day and

I was in

Detroit, frickin, Michigan. I bailed after two weeks.

That's only the start...on the reels side you forgot the Cherry Pies,
but most of the coin hustlers were wonging the $5 Visions machines, as
you note. There were guys making $2K a day counting a little bit and
playing the dealer mistakes at tables. I've discussed the VP and VBJ
several times before here. The EV was monster the first year in
Detroit (1998), but I had the same problem as you, I couldn't stand
the place, either. One top AP from Ohio passed on Detroit as well. In
retrospect I wish I had more discipline and stuck it out. Could have
made at least $250K easy.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@> wrote:

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paladingaming.net

#10

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"
<paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@>

wrote:

>
> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"
> <paladingamingllc@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Dancer" <bob.dancer@>

wrote:

> >
> > (Jumbo Jackpot Discussion)

> Somewhere in the dark recesses of my Moose Drool addled brain I
> remember walking into the Vegas Club and grabbing Gaming

Today at the

> Sports Book. I read Gaming Today to keep up with casino news

and to

get
> pissed off by Rob Singer.

I think Rob is pulling our collective legs. You really can't write
for Gaming Today unless you give the impression you're a total sucker
or degenerate gambler; it is a house organ for the industry after all.
I loved Chuck Di Rocco, and miss him.

> So there was nothing I could exploit. Luckily, the place had bonus
> machines galore: nickel and quarter blue screen bingos, dollar
X-factors,
> big nickel IGT Visions, nickel fireworks, etc. So I was able to
make the cost
> of the trip back and a big fat tip. But my nut was $100 a day and
I was in
> Detroit, frickin, Michigan. I bailed after two weeks.

That's only the start...on the reels side you forgot the Cherry Pies,
but most of the coin hustlers were wonging the $5 Visions machines,

as

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you note. There were guys making $2K a day counting a little bit and
playing the dealer mistakes at tables. I've discussed the VP and VBJ
several times before here. The EV was monster the first year in
Detroit (1998), but I had the same problem as you, I couldn't stand
the place, either. One top AP from Ohio passed on Detroit as well. In
retrospect I wish I had more discipline and stuck it out. Could have
made at least $250K easy.

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paladingaming.net

I loved Chuck di Rocco too. I damm sure miss him. He was a real Las
Vegas man. Mot a cheap imittation.

Paladin, I was getting major heat hanging around those big nickel
visions. Suits were coming out and telling me I played Visions for a
living. This wa onlly three weeks after the place opened.

When I first walked in the door of that bread factory I was faced with all
the clientle wearing Raiders jackets. So how does a redneck from
Mississippi fit into thtat. I didn't .

What was so comical to me was I made about $20 a lap hiustlling
credits. I wound have figured some gangster would have it all locked
up. Well, If they didn't know what a credit was they couldn't be all that
bad.

The stupidist thing I seen there was these two idiots playing the visions
long before they shou.d. They had gotten lucky and hit a jackpot and
thought they had a clue. So they barreled in on plays that weren't
plays They were losing all kinds of dough and the brother of one came
in and confronted him. They wound up in a wrestling match on the floor
and both got 86'd.

I took the other one under my wing and taught hin how to do it right so
he wouldn't be a thorn in my side. The guy that got thrown out owned a
pool hall and the last thing I remember his brother saying before they
were both shown the door is "you're gonna lose the pool hall if you keep
this gambling up."

The guy who sold and repaired pool cues at the joint started hanging
around the casino and I befriended him. He told me about Cornbread
Red, a pool player of whom I knew the reputation of. Red was from
Detroit. This is what he told me about Red: Cornbread Red showed
everybody in Detroit how pool should be played.

#11

I had my first Moose Drool last year at Mammoth Hot Springs inside
Yellowstone NP. It's a great beer and I love the name. Sadly, it's not
available here in the east. Big Sky Brewing Co. website states that
Reno and surrounding area is the only place in Nevada where one can
buy a bottle. It's also distributed across the Northwest, California,
and part of Colorado.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Richard Boozer <reboozer@> wrote:
>
> Does this mean you are in West Yellowstone, MT? The
> only place I have found Moose Drool is at Bullwinkle's
> in West Yellowstone. Have one for me!!
>
> --- mickeycrimm <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
>
> > Somewhere in the dark recesses of my Moose Drool
> > addled brain...
>

Moose Drool is also available in Northern Nevada.

#12

Mickey, can I just say that your posts are the only ones I read
regularly on vpFREE? Please don't ever leave us.

Drew

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

This is what he told me about Red: Cornbread Red showed
everybody in Detroit how pool should be played.

#13

I have some in my refrigerator now. I live in Northern California, and
most grocery stores carry it around here. If you want a real treat,
they feature Moose Drool on tap at the Lakeside Inn Casino at South
Shore Lake Tahoe. For those that are not enlighten, it is a Brown Ale
with hint of spiciness, and over tones of caramel and chocolate. Yum.
They also make a Pale Ale called Scape Goat that is pretty good.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Artmo" <paddlejunkie@...> wrote:

I had my first Moose Drool last year at Mammoth Hot Springs inside
Yellowstone NP. It's a great beer and I love the name. Sadly, it's not
available here in the east. Big Sky Brewing Co. website states that
Reno and surrounding area is the only place in Nevada where one can
buy a bottle. It's also distributed across the Northwest, California,
and part of Colorado.

#14

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@>

wrote:

> This is what he told me about Red: Cornbread Red showed
> everybody in Detroit how pool should be played.

Mickey, can I just say that your posts are the only ones I read
regularly on vpFREE? Please don't ever leave us.

Drew

Thank you so much for the compliment.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpdeuces" <vpdeuces@...> wrote: