Flew out Friday and returned Monday.
Stayed at Golden Nugget at their new Rush Tower. Pretty nice rooms.
Played enough to hit two sets of Ducks. Also played live poker at the Nugget.
Still no Royal after about 15 years of going to Vegas at least three times a year.
I think I'm due. Drew to it several times but always came up short.
Still was a profitable and fun weekend.
Brad
Amarillo
Royal Drought continues
That is a pretty long time to go without a royal. To think I was pissed I hadn't got one in a month then I went on a 2 week spree of 6 royals.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bradr19" <briffel@...> wrote:
Flew out Friday and returned Monday.
Stayed at Golden Nugget at their new Rush Tower. Pretty nice rooms.
Played enough to hit two sets of Ducks. Also played live poker at the Nugget.
Still no Royal after about 15 years of going to Vegas at least three times a year.
I think I'm due. Drew to it several times but always came up short.
Still was a profitable and fun weekend.
Brad
Amarillo
45 Trips to Vegas with no Royals! There is got to be something wrong, That`s
worse than bad luck. (Could be the Nugget Curse)
You should try the Four Queens next trip downtown, hit a few Royals there
over the years.
You mentioned the Rush Tower rooms, how would you compare them to other
rooms on the strip. Are they comparable to the Venetian or Wynn.
Chris
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Sent: January-18-10 9:51 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Royal Drought continues
Flew out Friday and returned Monday.
Stayed at Golden Nugget at their new Rush Tower. Pretty nice rooms.
Played enough to hit two sets of Ducks. Also played live poker at the
Nugget.
Still no Royal after about 15 years of going to Vegas at least three times a
year.
I think I'm due. Drew to it several times but always came up short.
Still was a profitable and fun weekend.
Brad
Amarillo
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I think the importand info that is missing is how many hands is that? 1000 hands per trip would only be abut one royal cycle. Even if 4 or 5 thousand hands per trip, that wold not be totally impossible.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <cwilski@...> wrote:
45 Trips to Vegas with no Royals! There is got to be something wrong, That`s
worse than bad luck. (Could be the Nugget Curse)
It was a long time before my first royal in 2009.
I think I had ~200 almost royals during 2000-2009, and six straight flushes before my first royal.
Mitchell
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bradr19" <briffel@...> wrote:
Still no Royal after about 15 years of going to Vegas at least three times a year.
Royals aren't as common as some might lead you to believe.
I spent many years and many trips (more than 45 trips if you include trips to AC and other locations) without getting a royal. I hit mine 18 months ago and haven't seen one since. I've actually had more royal flushes playing Texas Hold'Em than playing video poker.
It will happen for you some day.
Take Care,
Mark
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bradr19" <briffel@...> wrote:
Still no Royal after about 15 years of going to Vegas at least three times a year.
We are also at the wrong end of the bell curve. Last Saturday night (early Sunday morning?) we finally connected on a draw from 4 to a royal on a quarter 5 play at the Borgata. We usually both play $1 single line JOB (Wife) or NSUD (me). Our last royal was in June of 2002. We play 3X month for 6-8 hour sessions. Do the math, we were WAY overdue. Only wish we would have broken the drought with a $ machine.
Remember ..... life is only what you make it. Never settle for second best.
Bill
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 04:47:41 +0000
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Royal Drought continues
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bradr19" <briffel@...> wrote:
Still no Royal after about 15 years of going to Vegas at least three times a year.
It was a long time before my first royal in 2009.
I think I had ~200 almost royals during 2000-2009, and six straight flushes before my first royal.
Mitchell
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Other end of the curve. I've had 8 in about 120000 hands, playing .25 -
$5.00. All were JOB.
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On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 8:32 AM, bill vandivner <billvandivner@hotmail.com>wrote:
We are also at the wrong end of the bell curve. Last Saturday night (early
Sunday morning?) we finally connected on a draw from 4 to a royal on a
quarter 5 play at the Borgata. We usually both play $1 single line JOB
(Wife) or NSUD (me). Our last royal was in June of 2002. We play 3X month
for 6-8 hour sessions. Do the math, we were WAY overdue. Only wish we
would have broken the drought with a $ machine.Remember ..... life is only what you make it. Never settle for second
best.Bill
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> Still no Royal after about 15 years of going to Vegas at least three
times a year.It was a long time before my first royal in 2009.
I think I had ~200 almost royals during 2000-2009, and six straight flushes
before my first royal.Mitchell
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This is the most rational comment to date on this thread.
Accounts of "royal droughts" based solely on time periods or trip numbers are completely meaningless.
Hours of play, while better than nothing, is not really a very good indication either, since the number of hands played per hour can vary by a wide margin between individuals.
To provide meaning, at the very least, an approximation of the number of hands played is needed.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@...> wrote:
I think the importand info that is missing is how many hands is that? 1000 hands per trip would only be abut one royal cycle. Even if 4 or 5 thousand hands per trip, that wold not be totally impossible.
Nice to see someone hitting!
Last year 320,000 hands of 25c VP, No Royals
This year 30,000 hands of 25c VP, 3 Royals
It's a fun roller coaster!
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jack Stackman <hard16@...> wrote:
Other end of the curve. I've had 8 in about 120000 hands, playing .25 -
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You obviously missed the assumptive in my post. That was the intention of the do the math comment. 2 players*600 HPH each*avg 7 hours play each per trip*3 trips per month* 12 month per year * 7.6 years = approx 2,298240 hands without a royal. I stand by my statement that we were on the far wrong side of the bell curve.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "deuceswild1000" <deuceswild1000@...> wrote:
This is the most rational comment to date on this thread.
Accounts of "royal droughts" based solely on time periods or trip numbers are completely meaningless.
Hours of play, while better than nothing, is not really a very good indication either, since the number of hands played per hour can vary by a wide margin between individuals.
To provide meaning, at the very least, an approximation of the number of hands played is needed.
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While I've had 8 royals, I can remember only 3 sf.
You say 200 almost royals. Any ideal how many of those were 10-K and you ended with a 9-k sf?
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "tsaimitch" <tsai@...> wrote:
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "bradr19" <briffel@> wrote:
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> Still no Royal after about 15 years of going to Vegas at least three times a year.It was a long time before my first royal in 2009.
I think I had ~200 almost royals during 2000-2009, and six straight flushes before my first royal.
Mitchell
If were talking numbers, this year I pulled 36 royals with about 1,000,000 hands. Above expectation according to the APs. This was my slowest year. Ive been playing for 4 years(video poker) now and average in the mid 40s on the royal per year count. Friends and family just say Im to damn lucky. Most people ask whether I'm ahead or not, I can say I am not that far ahead but its fun. By the way, the 6 royal streak I had was all within 30k hands. Mostly DB and some DDB. I'm not much of a deuce player, in fact I don't think one royal this year was on deuces. had several royals on TB+ though.
The rush tower was nice, but it really didn't compare to the Wynn or the Venetian.
I might agree with the Nugget curse, but we usually don't stay there. We've stayed in over 30 of the Casino hotels there. Really like to give them all a try.
My favorite is the Wynn. Palms new tower suite is really great also. $20 trick.
My wife's favorite is Mandalay Bay.
Thinking today how many are no longer there. Dunes came to mind first. Then Silver City. That was my favorite place to eat many years ago.
Back to VP, I think I've sure played enough DW to hit one as I've probably hit the Dueces 20 or 25 times.
I think the real Curse is in not finding the right combination of urinals to pee in. I always used to do the 3rd and 5th. Did this many years because of the 3 - 5 joke. Tried many combinations over the years. This trip I stayed with the number 2 urinal and had pretty good luck (even if no royal). That's my gambling superstition. Hey....don't be judging me!!!!!!
Brad
Amarillo
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <cwilski@...> wrote:
45 Trips to Vegas with no Royals! There is got to be something wrong, That`s
worse than bad luck. (Could be the Nugget Curse)You should try the Four Queens next trip downtown, hit a few Royals there
over the years.You mentioned the Rush Tower rooms, how would you compare them to other
rooms on the strip. Are they comparable to the Venetian or Wynn.Chris
From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
bradr19
Sent: January-18-10 9:51 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Royal Drought continuesFlew out Friday and returned Monday.
Stayed at Golden Nugget at their new Rush Tower. Pretty nice rooms.
Played enough to hit two sets of Ducks. Also played live poker at the
Nugget.
Still no Royal after about 15 years of going to Vegas at least three times a
year.
I think I'm due. Drew to it several times but always came up short.
Still was a profitable and fun weekend.
Brad
Amarillo[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
``The Curse of The Golden Nugget`` Sounds like an Indiana Jones Movie or
better still ``The Curse in the Kingdom of The Porcelain Skull``
Watch our Hero get beaten up by every VP machine he encounters and watch as
he discovers the secrets hidden deep in the porcelain of the forgotten caves
in the Valley of Urinals!
All joking aside thanks for your little review and tips they are always
appreciated. Just really would like to hear that your luck has changed the
that you`ve lost the curse.
I will be staying at the Nugget for Super Bowl weekend in the Rush towers,
then off to the Venetian for four nights of comped rooms and one might to
check out the Plams Place then home.`
Been going to the Nugget for over 25 years, it`s just not like to use to be.
Comps back then were easy to get even for the small gambler like me, $5
blackjack and 25 cent VP. This time no comped room, not even offered a
little discount, tried to get an invite to their Super Bowl party and was
told my play did not warrant it. This all gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling.
Even though I`m staying at the Nugget I will be spending my gambling dollars
at some of the more player friendly downtown casinos (ie. Four Queens,
Cortez, Main St). Why should I gamble the Nugget with no incentives to look
forward too.
I was at the Venetian for two nights this past September and played mostly
the nickel Quick Quads and ended up getting four free nights, it just
doesn`t make sense to me. I think my days at the Golden Nugget are going be
over soon as the magic is finally disappearing along with the customer
satisfaction. Now that I think of it, I`ve never hit a Royal at the Nugget.
I really think there is a curse there. (Though I can`t remember what urinal
I used, I think once I peed in the Men`s Shoeshine box by mistake J)
By the way, what is the $20 trick!
Wishing you all Royals Galore
Chris
*For the Indiana Jones Poster Click here
<http://www.tamedomain.com/curse_of_nugget.html>
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From: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vpF…@…com] On Behalf Of
bradr19
Sent: January-19-10 11:39 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: Royal Drought continues XVP
The rush tower was nice, but it really didn't compare to the Wynn or the
Venetian.
I might agree with the Nugget curse, but we usually don't stay there. We've
stayed in over 30 of the Casino hotels there. Really like to give them all a
try.
My favorite is the Wynn. Palms new tower suite is really great also. $20
trick.
My wife's favorite is Mandalay Bay.
Thinking today how many are no longer there. Dunes came to mind first. Then
Silver City. That was my favorite place to eat many years ago.
Back to VP, I think I've sure played enough DW to hit one as I've probably
hit the Dueces 20 or 25 times.
I think the real Curse is in not finding the right combination of urinals to
pee in. I always used to do the 3rd and 5th. Did this many years because of
the 3 - 5 joke. Tried many combinations over the years. This trip I stayed
with the number 2 urinal and had pretty good luck (even if no royal). That's
my gambling superstition. Hey....don't be judging me!!!!!!
Brad
Amarillo
--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> , "Chris"
<cwilski@...> wrote:
45 Trips to Vegas with no Royals! There is got to be something wrong,
That`s
worse than bad luck. (Could be the Nugget Curse)
You should try the Four Queens next trip downtown, hit a few Royals there
over the years.You mentioned the Rush Tower rooms, how would you compare them to other
rooms on the strip. Are they comparable to the Venetian or Wynn.Chris
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[mailto:vpF…@…com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
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Sent: January-18-10 9:51 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vpFREE%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Royal Drought continuesFlew out Friday and returned Monday.
Stayed at Golden Nugget at their new Rush Tower. Pretty nice rooms.
Played enough to hit two sets of Ducks. Also played live poker at the
Nugget.
Still no Royal after about 15 years of going to Vegas at least three times
a
year.
I think I'm due. Drew to it several times but always came up short.
Still was a profitable and fun weekend.
Brad
Amarillo[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Since the Golden Nugget was taken over by Landry's Restaurants Inc., the joint has gone way, way downhill in terms of gaming. They zeroed out many of the locals comp balances (even though we were told that the comp balances would not be touched), took out most VP machines that were even close to playable and are catering to the non-gaming tourist crowd.
On the other hand, I hope they succeed because they have the most rooms downtown and the other hotels need the tourists wandering in off of Fremont Street.
Don the Dentist
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Been going to the Nugget for over 25 years, it`s just not like to use to be. Comps back then were easy to get even for the small gambler like me, $5 blackjack and 25 cent VP. This time no comped room, not even offered a little discount, tried to get an invite to their Super Bowl party and was told my play did not warrant it. This all gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling. Even though I`m staying at the Nugget I will be spending my gambling dollars at some of the more player friendly downtown casinos (ie. Four Queens, Cortez, Main St). Why should I gamble the Nugget with no incentives to look forward too.
Good points Don.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Don the Dentist" <dds6@...> wrote:
Since the Golden Nugget was taken over by Landry's Restaurants Inc., the joint has gone way, way downhill in terms of gaming. They zeroed out many of the locals comp balances (even though we were told that the comp balances would not be touched), took out most VP machines that were even close to playable and are catering to the non-gaming tourist crowd.
On the other hand, I hope they succeed because they have the most rooms downtown and the other hotels need the tourists wandering in off of Fremont Street.
Don the Dentist
> Been going to the Nugget for over 25 years, it`s just not like to use to be. Comps back then were easy to get even for the small gambler like me, $5 blackjack and 25 cent VP. This time no comped room, not even offered a little discount, tried to get an invite to their Super Bowl party and was told my play did not warrant it. This all gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling. Even though I`m staying at the Nugget I will be spending my gambling dollars at some of the more player friendly downtown casinos (ie. Four Queens, Cortez, Main St). Why should I gamble the Nugget with no incentives to look forward too.
No, I didn't miss the assumptive. In fact, I referred to the fact that hours of play is an inadequate measure without knowing the number of hands played per hour. Your original post provided no information as to your rate of play.
I agree with you that, at 600 hands per hour, for the total number of hours you have played, you are far, far out at the wrong end of the bell curve.
Unfortunately, being in that position does not make you any more "due" for a royal than a lucky person who has had 30 or 40 of them. The probability of getting one on the next hand remains constant.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, bill vandivner <billvandivner@...> wrote:
You obviously missed the assumptive in my post. That was the intention of the do the math comment. 2 players*600 HPH each*avg 7 hours play each per trip*3 trips per month* 12 month per year * 7.6 years = approx 2,298240 hands without a royal. I stand by my statement that we were on the far wrong side of the bell curve.
To add to the discussion, my wife and I have never experience such droughts before. While our play has been increasing over the past few years, the number of royals has increased in proportion. Last year I kept record of the hands played and we played just over 400,000 and had 8 Royals. I read Dan Paymar's book several years ago and he noted that a player should be approximating the long run at about that number of hands (i.e. 400,000) and should have the statistical number of royals plus or minus a couple. That has sure been our experience. We have achieved them playing JOB, DB, and NSUD mostly single line but also some 3 and 5 play. The last 4 have been on single line progressives (2 at 50 cent and 2 at dollars). The 50 cent paid $2700 and $3600 and the dollars paid $4800 and $7400.
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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Sai" <gofaster87@...> wrote:
If were talking numbers, this year I pulled 36 royals with about 1,000,000 hands. Above expectation according to the APs. This was my slowest year. Ive been playing for 4 years(video poker) now and average in the mid 40s on the royal per year count. Friends and family just say Im to damn lucky. Most people ask whether I'm ahead or not, I can say I am not that far ahead but its fun. By the way, the 6 royal streak I had was all within 30k hands. Mostly DB and some DDB. I'm not much of a deuce player, in fact I don't think one royal this year was on deuces. had several royals on TB+ though.
Golden Nugget still has the best bread pudding I ever had, we eat there and
play at the Vegas Club or Main Street
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On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Don the Dentist <dds6@cox.net> wrote:
Since the Golden Nugget was taken over by Landry's Restaurants Inc., the
joint has gone way, way downhill in terms of gaming. They zeroed out many of
the locals comp balances (even though we were told that the comp balances
would not be touched), took out most VP machines that were even close to
playable and are catering to the non-gaming tourist crowd.On the other hand, I hope they succeed because they have the most rooms
downtown and the other hotels need the tourists wandering in off of Fremont
Street.Don the Dentist
> Been going to the Nugget for over 25 years, it`s just not like to use to
be. Comps back then were easy to get even for the small gambler like me, $5
blackjack and 25 cent VP. This time no comped room, not even offered a
little discount, tried to get an invite to their Super Bowl party and was
told my play did not warrant it. This all gave me a warm and fuzzy feeling.
Even though I`m staying at the Nugget I will be spending my gambling dollars
at some of the more player friendly downtown casinos (ie. Four Queens,
Cortez, Main St). Why should I gamble the Nugget with no incentives to look
forward too.
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