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Rob Singer sends

Rob Singer sends the following comment on the "Should Rob Singer
become a "moderated member" of vpFREE?" thread:

I was offered membership to vpfree as a decent & fair gesture from
Tom....and my promise not to be disruptive. The vote could go either
way, and either is fine with me. But use that vote, because at this
point it makes no sense to make negative - or in a recent case tonight
- untrue statements. And I'll clear this up right here: I'm for taking
Saddam out NOW, then systematically eliminating any other tyrannical
dictators starting with N. Korea; I won't play at Indian casinos
because they regulate themselves; Tuscany still could make the change
- though it's still a fine casino without it; and I really did enjoy
Bob Dancer's book.

RS

Rob-

   Hate to disagree with you, but the first one I'd take out is that tyrannical dictator in Washington who wasn't even elected but wants to take away all our civil rights.
:slight_smile:
Elaine
vpFREE <vpfreevp@yahoo.com> wrote:: I'm for taking
Saddam out NOW, then systematically eliminating any other tyrannical
dictators starting with N. Korea;

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Those men in suits knocking on your door are from the Secret Service.

Fact is Bush won using the rules in effect at the time of the
election (and still in effect, I've never voted for President only
for people to vote for President), and the fact that Gore voters in
FL where unable to follow instructions or ask for help in poking a
hole in a piece of paper with a sharp stick.

Gary

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Rose <atlanticcityrose@y...>
wrote:

Rob-

   Hate to disagree with you, but the first one I'd take out is

that tyrannical dictator in Washington who wasn't even elected but
wants to take away all our civil rights.

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:slight_smile:
Elaine

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Elaine Rose <atlanticcityrose@y...>
wrote:

Rob-

   Hate to disagree with you, but the first one I'd take out is

that tyrannical dictator in Washington who wasn't even elected but
wants to take away all our civil rights.

:slight_smile:
Elaine

Sorry ... the smiley face does nothing to help me laugh at your
offensive comment encouraging assasination of a statesman ...
especially un-funny as our country is under attack by terrorism.
Your post has no place here or in any other venue for that matter.

2-W

I will say this on Singer's behalf, I don't believe he has or ever will
advocate the assassination of a United States President.

  Rasti$Rulz
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Elaine Rose" <atlanticcityrose@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Rob Singer sends

Rob-

   Hate to disagree with you, but the first one I'd take out is that

tyrannical dictator in Washington who wasn't even elected but wants to take
away all our civil rights.

:slight_smile:
Elaine
vpFREE <vpfreevp@yahoo.com> wrote:: I'm for taking
Saddam out NOW, then systematically eliminating any other tyrannical
dictators starting with N. Korea;

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It seems that most of the time someone posts an opinion on an XVP
topic, it's done in an imflammatory manner. Politics, and the
current critical issues of the day, arouse strong opinions. In the
expression of these opinions, reason and proportion are often lost.

I am shocked and saddened by the depth and vitriol of the opposition
to George Bush and his war on terrorism, both here and abroad.
Nonetheless, I respect the right of people to have and express
viewpoints contrary to mine, and what I feel is contrary to the good
of the nation. Such rights make us what we are.

However, when said opinions are voiced in a manner similar to the
post below, I am tempted to rethink my stance in this regard...

   Hate to disagree with you, but the first one I'd take out is

that tyrannical dictator

"tyrannical"? "dictator"? You need to consult a history book or two,
luv. We have had a few dozen tyrannical dictators in the world
recently, including Saddam Hussein. Just because a Republican
(horrors!) was elected President, doesn't make him a dictator. It
makes him a President.

in Washington who wasn't even elected

Let's quit babbling about this. George Bush won the election.
Period. Perhaps he should have. Perhaps he shouldn't have.
Irrevlevant. (Although it's fascinating to speculate what fine
statecraft would be woven right now by Al Gore with his tenuous
grasp of reality, were he in George Bush's shoes.)

but wants to take away all our civil rights.

Ooh! The evil evil (Republican) man! I will no longer have the right
to petition the government for redress of grievances!!

Interesting how, when an elected official's policies disagree with
yours, he descends in your mind (?) to the level of a James Bond
villian. World domination is next in the Bush crusade to grab all
the world's oil (and we'll ignore the fact that Iraq's oil reserves
are almost depleted!). BWAAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAHAAAA!!!!!

You are talking about Ted Kennedy, right?

Matt

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----- Original Message -----
  From: Elaine Rose
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 12:08 PM
  Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Rob Singer sends

  Rob-

     Hate to disagree with you, but the first one I'd take out is that tyrannical dictator in Washington who wasn't even elected but wants to take away all our civil rights.
  :-)
  Elaine
  vpFREE <vpfreevp@yahoo.com> wrote:: I'm for taking
  Saddam out NOW, then systematically eliminating any other tyrannical
  dictators starting with N. Korea;

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mkl5321,

(Apologies to Tom for helping to carry on this thread.)

I am not going to get into a discussion with you, but I'd like to give you a few points to think about.

1. The Attorney General, according to himself and the President, has the right to decide that an American citizen is a terrorist. When that is done, they have the power, according to Ashcroft to arrest that citizen at any time of the day or not and take that citizen off shore where they are not allowed to speak to anyone, be represented by an attorney, be subject to Habeas Corpus, or have any other of the basic rights of American citizens. Remember, this is not legal or illegal residents we are speaking of, this is an American citizen. We must trust the Administration not to abuse this power.

Conservatives, more than anyone else, should reject this bid to change this country from a free republic to an authoritarian regime.

2. Many of us support attacking terrorism wherever it threatens. Problem is, there is NO evidence that Iraq has ever been a state supporting terrorism. Al Qaeda wants to remove Hussein as much as Bush does. Iraq is a strongly secular majority Islamic state. To Bin Laden, a secular regime is anathema.

Even in the Secretary of State's attempt to link the two, he stated that there is an Al Qaeda setup in Kurdish controlled territory in Iraq.

The last time these guys were in office they armed and trained the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan, many of whom later became Al Qaeda. We are arming and training the Kurds. How often will these guys arm and train our enemies. Would the British Prime Minister give weapons and training to the IRA, even if they had a common enemy.

3. Iraq is contained and can possibly be disarmed by diplomacy. Did you see one of the few times Bush answered questions extemporaneously a few months ago and said (this is a direct quote) at the end of a few points justifying going against Saddam, "Besides, he tried to kill my dad."

This might be a legitimate reason to put hundreds of thousands of Americans at risk, to certainly kill tens of thousands of Iraqis and to severely damage our economy; drowning our children in debt. But many thinking people both on the left and the right suspect that the primary reason we are going after Iraq is a personal vendetta of the Bushes.

Please also remember that Osama Bin Laden is alive and well, Mullah Omar's Taliban is regrouping and taking back territory in Afghanistan and a reconstituted Al Qaeda is a bigger threat than ever, all according to the Administration. So why are we spending all our energy on a War on Iraq instead of the now ignored War on Terror?

Sometimes both sides use intemperate language but many Liberals, Conservatives and Independents believe that the damage done to our foreign relations, our Constitution and our economy by this Administration is a significant threat to our security. In the future, please look behind the rhetoric to the actions being taken and ask yourself if the rhetoric fits the facts.

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At 08:59 PM 02/28/2003 +0000, you wrote:

I am shocked and saddened by the depth and vitriol of the opposition
to George Bush and his war on terrorism, both here and abroad.

I wasn't advocating assassination. Removal from office, preferably by legal means in 2004, would be fine with me.

Elaine
Video Poker Vegas <vpvegas@charter.net> wrote:I will say this on Singer's behalf, I don't believe he has or ever will
advocate the assassination of a United States President.

  Rasti$Rulz
                               January 1, 2005
                    Countdown to retirement- 22 months
                 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vp-heaven

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Elaine Rose" <atlanticcityrose@yahoo.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Rob Singer sends

Rob-

   Hate to disagree with you, but the first one I'd take out is that

tyrannical dictator in Washington who wasn't even elected but wants to take
away all our civil rights.

:slight_smile:
Elaine
vpFREE <vpfreevp@yahoo.com> wrote:: I'm for taking
Saddam out NOW, then systematically eliminating any other tyrannical
dictators starting with N. Korea;

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I am not going to get into a discussion with you,

Interesting. You want to preach, but not engage in dialogue. This is
fine since this board is inappropriate for either.

but I'd like to give you

a few points to think about.

Heard 'em all before, but usually less cogently stated. Still, holes
in your reasoning that I could drive a truck through. But why bother?

The real reason that we are contemplating war with Iraq is the best
game there is 6/5 Bonus, and there is NO slot club!

A few comments (in no particular order) and then I'm outta this group
for a few days. It's not my idea of fun.

Kevin - Without any judgement on your note concerning Elaine and her
dictator comments, take it private. Briefly noting on vpFREE that it
was an inappropriate post to the group is one thing. However, a
long-winded debate should be sent to her directly. Ditto advice to
anyone else who finds it necessary to enter that fray.

Singer - Do you really think you're ever gonna be able to even say
"Hi!" around here without starting another one of these debates? It
reflects poorly on the lot of us around here, but do us all a favor
(yourself included) and decline Tom's invitation to post. It will be
our loss.

Tom - You take the high road in moderating this group by interfering
as little as possible. But someone has to make a call on what
contributes to the value of the group and what detracts from it and
take responsibility for nipping the stuff in the bud that has no
business here. I'm not talking about day to day activity, just stuff
like all that Indian crap and now, obviously, some chatter that
beginning to spring up about the Singer question.

This involves imposition of personal judgement, something I get the
feeling you're loathe to impose on the group, but these discussions
can't be allowed to be drawn out.

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Ok, I've finally got that off my chest. If any of you guys (or gals)
think I'm full of shit, feel free to let me know ... PRIVATELY!

- Harry

The real reason that we are contemplating war with Iraq is the best
game there is 6/5 Bonus, and there is NO slot club!

lol...

Maybe we wouldn't be in this mess if Saddam had been fully
moderated! Makes the little RS situation seem rather
inconsequential, doesn't it?
lb