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Rob Singer and Bob Dancer...not so different?

#1

Since all I know of Rob Singer's strategies is what I have gleaned from
posts on this site, I will take the liberty to ascribe any nutty
gambling strategy him. For dancer his strategy is laid out in his
Milllion Dollar book, which can be read for free at my local Borders,
since no one seems interested in purchasing the lone copy.

Bob's strategy seems to be the inverse of Rob's, when you are ahead
move up in denomenation. Bob got very very lucky, and hit big when he
was playing way beyond his bankroll. $500,000 in one night! you don't
do that playing 0.25 or dollars. Even the rest of his story points to a
great deal of luck not skill. If you allow for a 0.3% advantage you
would have to put through $150 million to earn the balance of his
$500,000...that's a huge amount to feed through machines in a year. I
just don't believe that 0.3% advantage or highter are regularly
available on high enough denomenation games to allow for that type of
play. It seems that bob was lucky on the other $500,000 also. So the
real story is if you want to win big...get very lucky! Bob clearly
implies greater profits from video poker than can realistically be
attained...that is not a service to this community.

#2

So the real story is if you want to win big...get very lucky!

I don't agree that "get very lucky" is/was the big story.
But assuming that it was, proper machine selection,
strategy and maximizing of casino benefits can keep
you playing and give you a better chance of getting
lucky.

Bob clearly implies greater profits from video poker than
can realistically be attained...that is not a service to this
community.

He has never clearly implied this to me. My recollection
is that Bob and all of the main stream video poker
authorities routinely stress the downside as well as the
upside of playing video poker, and that expected profit
is a function of coin-in and ER.

vpFae

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On 11 Sep 2005 at 15:43, thymos_one wrote:

#3

Bob made some small concession that the $500,000 in one night was
lucky, while not acknowledging that he was playing way beyond his
bankroll, but then strongly implied the rest of his $500,000 win for
the year was due solely to doggedly grinding out small positve
expectation games, the numbers don't support this assertion. I assume
you are well informed of all available plays in Las Vegas, have you
regularly had $500,000+ win years?

I agree with the last part of your statement above, playing better
machines and maximizing comps gives you a better chance to get lucky
and improves the overall casino experience. However throwing around
million dollar win figures is just disingenuous.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFae6128305" <vpfae6128305@C...> wrote:

On 11 Sep 2005 at 15:43, thymos_one wrote:

> So the real story is if you want to win big...get very lucky!

I don't agree that "get very lucky" is/was the big story.
But assuming that it was, proper machine selection,
strategy and maximizing of casino benefits can keep
you playing and give you a better chance of getting
lucky.

#4

Heh. You might hold your own in a Rob Singer encounter.
I didn't know that my personal vp results had anything to
do with whether I think the real story is "if you want to win
big...get very lucky".

FWIW, I think Bob Dancer got very lucky to win his million,
and the telling about it was the story of the book. He wasn't
suggesting that others follow his example and go out and
win big, by getting lucky.

So IMO, the real story of the book is "Bob Dancer got very
lucky and won big" - not "if you want to win big...get very lucky".

vpFae

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On 11 Sep 2005 thymos_one wrote:

> So the real story is if you want to win big...get very lucky!

Bob made some small concession that the $500,000 in one night was
lucky, while not acknowledging that he was playing way beyond his
bankroll, but then strongly implied the rest of his $500,000 win for
the year was due solely to doggedly grinding out small positve
expectation games, the numbers don't support this assertion. I assume
you are well informed of all available plays in Las Vegas, have you
regularly had $500,000+ win years?

#5

When Dancer won the $500,000, there were many, many opportunities at
the higher denominations with over a full 1% advantage. It is true
that nowadays no such opportunities exist. But he made the most of
the great opportunities available at the time.

Since all I know of Rob Singer's strategies is what I have gleaned

from

posts on this site, I will take the liberty to ascribe any nutty
gambling strategy him. For dancer his strategy is laid out in his
Milllion Dollar book, which can be read for free at my local

Borders,

since no one seems interested in purchasing the lone copy.

Bob's strategy seems to be the inverse of Rob's, when you are

ahead

move up in denomenation. Bob got very very lucky, and hit big when

he

was playing way beyond his bankroll. $500,000 in one night! you

don't

do that playing 0.25 or dollars. Even the rest of his story points

to a

great deal of luck not skill. If you allow for a 0.3% advantage

you

would have to put through $150 million to earn the balance of his
$500,000...that's a huge amount to feed through machines in a

year. I

just don't believe that 0.3% advantage or highter are regularly
available on high enough denomenation games to allow for that type

of

play. It seems that bob was lucky on the other $500,000 also. So

the

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "thymos_one" <thymos_one@y...> wrote:

real story is if you want to win big...get very lucky! Bob clearly
implies greater profits from video poker than can realistically be
attained...that is not a service to this community.