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RNG On RF's

I have a quick question on how the RNG works on VP. I just returned from a Tunica Practice Trip ( Seeing how well I had learned from FVP ). During this trip I had several occasions where I had four cards to a RF. Naturally I held the four cards ( I did not hit one though). After the cards are dealt, is the RNG still running or shuffling the remainder of the deck??? Or is the next card is already determined ?

Could someone shed some light on what is happening with the VP machine after the initial deal.

Enquiring Minds,

David

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You can't get an exact answer to that. It varies by manufacturer and jurisdiction. Apparently, on most machines the next card(s) are not picked until the draw button is hit. On some, especially very old machines, 10 cards are picked initially. And it is my understanding that some jurisdictions require this although I don't know this for a fact. New IGT machines select the draw when the draw button is pushed, although since Nevada has no regulation some might draw 10 cards.

But most people mistakenly believe that the RNG "is constantly running, shuffling decks" or whatever. If this was done by taking the results of the last number chosen to get the next one then it would be possible to predict the next cards drawn by knowing the sequence. A completely secure way is to use the internal clock, which tracks down to a small fraction of a second to provide a new "seed" number to the RNG whenever Deal or Draw is pressed. This also reduces the amount of processing the machine has to do which would generate more heat and shorten the life of some components (this last was told to me by an electrical engineer. It might be idiotic but it seems to make sense to my untrained logic).

The most important thing, of course, is that this knowledge only affects us psychologically and has absolutely no effect mathematically. If we know that 10 cards were drawn then we can punish ourselves for making the "wrong" decision, like which of two pairs to keep in FPDW. On the other hand, we can never make the wrong choice if the cards are selected with the draw push since we would not have drawn the same hand if we had selected different cards to hold. I find this last comforting, but I also realize that psychological considerations have no bearing on how I hold a particular hand.

Hope this helps.

Bill

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At 06:58 AM 03/26/2003 -0800, you wrote:

     I have a quick question on how the RNG works on VP. I just returned from a Tunica Practice Trip ( Seeing how well I had learned from FVP ). During this trip I had several occasions where I had four cards to a RF. Naturally I held the four cards ( I did not hit one though). After the cards are dealt, is the RNG still running or shuffling the remainder of the deck??? Or is the next card is already determined ?

nthumphrey wrote:

     I have a quick question on how the RNG works on VP. I just returned from a Tunica Practice Trip ( Seeing how well I had learned from FVP ). During this trip I had several occasions where I had four cards to a RF. Naturally I held the four cards ( I did not hit one though). After the cards are dealt, is the RNG still running or shuffling the remainder of the deck??? Or is the next card is already determined ?

Supposedly the RNG still runs, which effectively shuffles the
remainder of the deck continuously after the first hand is dealt,
until you hit the "draw" button.

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I'm an EE too and the power to turn on/off a pseudo RNG would be more than
the PRNG takes. Plus the power supply works best with constant load.
Gary
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----- Original Message -----
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] RNG On RF's

This also reduces the amount of processing the machine has to do which
would generate more heat and shorten the life of some components (this

last

was told to me by an electrical engineer. It might be idiotic but it seems
to make sense to my untrained logic).

I think you should have stopped right there. You don't give anything
here but conjecture. Your conjecture on the electronics is clearly
wrong. If you have some facts, please let us know the sources of your
information.

The only information I have seen on this subject was an interview
with IGT where it was stated that all 10 cards are selected when the
initial max bet/bet one button was pressed.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coleman <billc140@m...> wrote:

You can't get an exact answer to that.