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Riverwalk and Rainbow report (Vicksburg MS)

#1

I live in Jackson MS, which is just a hop skip and jump from
Vicksburg. Since I've got the day off today, I thought I would do a
reconnaissance mission of a couple of the V'burg casinos.

The new one is the Riverwalk, a land-based casino, built after
Hurricane Katrina persuaded my state lawmakers to change some laws to
allow casinos on land. I went there first.

They were playing 80s music. I happen to like 80s music. But I was
wondering if this is the shape of things to come; will I be in my
golden years, feeding the video poker machines while Duran Duran and
Bannanarama play over the speakers?

Anyway. The only game I am familiar with is Jacks or Better. I am
pleased to report that I saw 9/6 JoB in all denominations from 5c
through 5$. There was also a 9/6 25c JoB progressive up to $1500 and
change. It was one of those Suited Royals machiens, where each suit
has its own progressive (but the progressives start out at $1000). I
don't know what the advantage percentage is on that, but it's got to
be good. Anybody care to do the math or show me how?

I signed up for a players club card, and got an instant five dollars,
which I immediatly cashed in and used to pay for half of a lunch
buffet. The buffet had home cooking on it (meatloaf, mac'n'cheese,
mashed potatos, pork, fried chicken, bbq, etc) and it tasted fine.

The Slot Club takes $8 of action to generate one point, and one point
is worth 1 penny of cashback, according to the counter girl. Yikes!
That's lousy!

The Riverwalk had some 3 or 5 play machines, but not in JoB that I
could find. No 50 or 100 play machines.

Then I went to the Rainbow Casino. Other than in the bar, there is no
decent 25c 9/6 JoB to be had. Seriously, the royal flush payoff on
their 25c denomination was 2500 coins rather than 4000. It's been that
way for years according to a retired marine I struck up a conversation
with.

The DOLLAR denominations tho... THAT is where the action was at the
Rainbow. 9/6 JoB, and the other flavors of poker that I'm not familiar
enough with yet all had high 99% or low 100% pay rates when I compared
the paytables to the saved data I had in my phone. I did not see any
denominations higher than a dollar, however.

Furthermore, the slot club requires $15 of action to generate one
point, but it only takes 100 points to be worth $5 of eCash
(downloadable to the video poker machines). Not only that, but
downloaded ecash points are double on Wednesday.

I don't think the 25c 9/6 JoB (and multigame) terminals in the bar are
part of the eCash point system, though.

What I *should* have done would have been taken pictures of the games
offered and their paytables. Next time I will do that.

There were 2 100-play machines, but only in 1 and 2 cent (!??!)
denominations with an 8/5 JoB paytable.

I wouldn't mind being the volunteer for Riverwalk and Rainbow (they're
next door to each other)

I wish I had the bankroll to play dollar machines. How many betting
units are the recommended bankroll to play JoB? I'm open to
suggestions and requests for my next trip. This was just a recon,
rather than a raid. :slight_smile:

#2

I live in Jackson MS, which is just a hop skip and jump from
Vicksburg. Since I've got the day off today, I thought I would do a
reconnaissance mission of a couple of the V'burg casinos.

The new one is the Riverwalk, a land-based casino, built after
Hurricane Katrina persuaded my state lawmakers to change some laws

to

allow casinos on land. I went there first.

Anyway. The only game I am familiar with is Jacks or Better. I am
pleased to report that I saw 9/6 JoB in all denominations from 5c
through 5$. There was also a 9/6 25c JoB progressive up to $1500 and
change. It was one of those Suited Royals machiens, where each suit
has its own progressive (but the progressives start out at $1000). I
don't know what the advantage percentage is on that, but it's got to
be good. Anybody care to do the math or show me how?

  If it's a suited royal game then it appears you listed one suit as
being at $1500. I take that to mean the meters for the other suits
would be below that number. If it was $1500 for ANY royal you would
have a fairly decent play (about 100.65%) plus the meter movement
while you and everyone else is playing, plus the cashback.

With .125% on the card you would be at 99.667% if all the royals were
at reset ($1000). So you would need an average of about $1200 on the
royals to be around breakeven (Add up all 4 royals then divide by
four). A simple rule of thumb I use is: .1% for every $50 into the
meter. If averaging the 4 royals together comes to $1200 then it
would be a .4% add on. So with the card you would be around
breakeven.

Another important consideration is meter movement. How fast do the
meters travel. Just knowing "how strong the particular game is, in
this case 9/6 Jacks and how fast the meter(s) travel tells me if I
need to monitor the bank or not. Everyone has different numbers for
when they want to come into the game. Let's say your number is $1500
(in this case the four royals average to $1500) for quarter 9/6
Jacks. A 9/6 Jacks progressive with a .25% meter tells me the royal
would have to miss 160,000 games to put it on my number ($500 X 400
divided by $1.25)--that is an infrequent occurrance so I won't get
many plays. But with a .5% meter I'm gonna get some plays as the
royal has to miss only 80,000 games to put it on my number. With a 1%
meter I'm homesteadin', baby! That is, if it were a dollar game.

As a sidenote, short-coiners can help tremendously in offsetting the
amount of games the royal has to miss. Check the machines out when
no one is playing them for short-coin action.

I time meters by betting one coin at a time until the meter flips one
penny, then I keep betting one coin, counting the number of coins it
takes to flip the meter another penny. I'll do this a few times to
verify. At quarters 4 coins per penny is 1%, 8 coins per penny
is .5%, 16 coins per penny is .25%, etc., etc.

There is another problem with this game, suited royals. Knowing the
breakpoints for the 3-card royals and 2 card royals. It's pretty
simple if you are dealing with "any royal gets the same money",
especially if you only play very high numbers, but with suited royals
you can have a very high royal in 1 or 2 suits, and a very low royal
in 1 or 2 suits. So you have to pay attention to the suits if you
play maximum EV. But there is no law that says you have to use a
different strategy than the strategy predicated on the royal being
$1000. In other words, the base strategy. There are some well known
pros who use this strategy: "If hitting the hand would cause me to
quit the play then I don't make a strategy shift."

Then I went to the Rainbow Casino. Other than in the bar, there is
no
decent 25c 9/6 JoB to be had. Seriously, the royal flush payoff on
this game was 2500 coins.

Forget this game

There were 2 100-play machines, but only in 1 and 2 cent (!??!)
denominations with an 8/5 JoB paytable.

Forget this game too.

I wish I had the bankroll to play dollar machines. How many betting
units are the recommended bankroll to play JoB? I'm open to
suggestions and requests for my next trip. This was just a recon,
rather than a raid. :slight_smile:

Bob Dancer's 3 to 5 royal rule is good enough for me. But no
bankroll is big enough if your overall expection is negative.

If I didn't have a bankroll, but I had a job, I would budget so much
out of every paycheck to play positive expectation situations. The
money for the first royal I hit would become my bankroll. I would
keep budgeting and keep playing to jump start a decent bankroll.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "goodluckfox" <goodluckfox@...> wrote:

#3

Don't get the idea that a 1% meter is strong for all games. It's
strong for 9/6 Jacks but would be very weak for 8/5 Jacks.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

With a 1% meter I'm homesteadin', baby! That is, if it were a dollar
game.

#4

8-5 SAB, and I think 9-6 BDlx IIRC at Riverwalk, good place for
quarter and dollar players.

Rainbow has 15-11 Deuces and multiline NSUD all over the place. Don't
remember about smaller denoms, but the 15-11 for dollars for sure, and
the multi-lines quarters for sure. The 15-11 was a play for several
months last year, and Rainbow has had good VP coupled with great
promos off and on over the years.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "goodluckfox" <goodluckfox@> wrote:
>
> I live in Jackson MS, which is just a hop skip and jump from
> Vicksburg. Since I've got the day off today, I thought I would do a
> reconnaissance mission of a couple of the V'burg casinos.
>
> The new one is the Riverwalk, a land-based casino, built after
> Hurricane Katrina persuaded my state lawmakers to change some laws
to
> allow casinos on land. I went there first.

#5

Ah, thanks! And all four meters were in the 1500s, until the guy I was
talking to hit the diamonds, resetting just that one to 1000. It was
up to 1007 by the time I'd made my way back to the progressive 25c 9/6
machines.

Thanks for the info on how to calculate progressives. :slight_smile:

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

  If it's a suited royal game then it appears you listed one suit as
being at $1500. I take that to mean the meters for the other suits
would be below that number. If it was $1500 for ANY royal you would
have a fairly decent play (about 100.65%) plus the meter movement
while you and everyone else is playing, plus the cashback.

With .125% on the card you would be at 99.667% if all the royals were
at reset ($1000). So you would need an average of about $1200 on the
royals to be around breakeven (Add up all 4 royals then divide by
four). A simple rule of thumb I use is: .1% for every $50 into the
meter. If averaging the 4 royals together comes to $1200 then it
would be a .4% add on. So with the card you would be around
breakeven.

Another important consideration is meter movement. How fast do the
meters travel. Just knowing "how strong the particular game is, in
this case 9/6 Jacks and how fast the meter(s) travel tells me if I
need to monitor the bank or not. Everyone has different numbers for
when they want to come into the game. Let's say your number is $1500
(in this case the four royals average to $1500) for quarter 9/6
Jacks. A 9/6 Jacks progressive with a .25% meter tells me the royal
would have to miss 160,000 games to put it on my number ($500 X 400
divided by $1.25)--that is an infrequent occurrance so I won't get
many plays. But with a .5% meter I'm gonna get some plays as the
royal has to miss only 80,000 games to put it on my number. With a 1%
meter I'm homesteadin', baby! That is, if it were a dollar game.

#6

No problem, goodluckfox. And if all 4 meters were in the $1500 range
when you saw them, it is a very good indication that the meters are
pretty strong for 9/6 Jacks. At least .5% or higher, I'm guessing.
However, I wouldn't know for sure until I timed them. But it looks
like you found a pretty good play. Especially if, like Paladin says,
you get some pretty good promotions thrown in, freeplay or whatever.

Incidentally, if you drive east from Jackson on I-20 to Forest,
Mississippi, about 50 miles away, then turn north on HWY 35 and go 2
miles north to HWY 80, then drive east for a couple of miles through
town, then take HWY 21 north for 8 miles to Ringgold Road, then turn
east, when you top the first hill, my grandparents old farm will be

Ah, thanks! And all four meters were in the 1500s, until the guy I

was

talking to hit the diamonds, resetting just that one to 1000. It was
up to 1007 by the time I'd made my way back to the progressive 25c

9/6

machines.

Thanks for the info on how to calculate progressives. :slight_smile:

>
> If it's a suited royal game then it appears you listed one suit

as

> being at $1500. I take that to mean the meters for the other

suits

> would be below that number. If it was $1500 for ANY royal you

would

> have a fairly decent play (about 100.65%) plus the meter movement
> while you and everyone else is playing, plus the cashback.
>
> With .125% on the card you would be at 99.667% if all the royals

were

> at reset ($1000). So you would need an average of about $1200 on

the

> royals to be around breakeven (Add up all 4 royals then divide by
> four). A simple rule of thumb I use is: .1% for every $50 into

the

> meter. If averaging the 4 royals together comes to $1200 then it
> would be a .4% add on. So with the card you would be around
> breakeven.
>
> Another important consideration is meter movement. How fast do

the

> meters travel. Just knowing "how strong the particular game is,

in

> this case 9/6 Jacks and how fast the meter(s) travel tells me if

I

> need to monitor the bank or not. Everyone has different numbers

for

> when they want to come into the game. Let's say your number is

$1500

> (in this case the four royals average to $1500) for quarter 9/6
> Jacks. A 9/6 Jacks progressive with a .25% meter tells me the

royal

> would have to miss 160,000 games to put it on my number ($500 X

400

> divided by $1.25)--that is an infrequent occurrance so I won't

get

> many plays. But with a .5% meter I'm gonna get some plays as the
> royal has to miss only 80,000 games to put it on my number. With

a 1%

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on the right hand side. --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "goodluckfox" <goodluckfox@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "mickeycrimm" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
> meter I'm homesteadin', baby! That is, if it were a dollar game.
>