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Risk of Robbery?

#1

At the Grand Victoria (Elgin IL) a few years ago I hit a progressive for
$7889.59. They refused to give me check saying it had to be $10,000 or
more. Since the place had an armored card shoot out a few weeks earlier, I
was more than a little nervous. This was also before open boarding so I had
to wait 20 minutes to get off. I had security escort me to my car and drove
straight to the bank with no problem (whew!).

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[Original Message]
From: sphboc2003 <sphboc@aol.com>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 6/17/2004 2:18:40 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Risk of Robbery?

I recently won a jackpot, in amount of a little over $2000.
Requested--at initial contact with relevant personnel--to be paid by
check; response was that this is done ONLY for $5000+.

It has "occured to me" that my name/address/date/amount are in
casino's information system. Very probably, accessible over Internet
by any person able to either comply with, or bypass, relevant
security procedures.

Including some who might see fit to be party to a robbery . .

My specific question. Has any W2G recipient, who received payment in
currency, ever had "reason to suspect" such conduct? Especially in
the Las Vegas area?

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#2

I recently had a couple lucky hits. Won the BJ tournament at Rio on Sunday and was paid the $20,000 in $100 chips, stacked in racks. Security walked Brad and me to cashier to redeem them for cash. Took $5000 in cash (we had been experiencing a long losing streak before this and our cash reserves were low) and $15,000 in a check.

Then two days later I was dealt a royal on the $1 Five Play NSUD and again took $5000 in cash and $15,000 in check. I just can't keep from being excited - so there was a big crowd around the "lucky" machine. Brad is very watchful when we go to the car after a big win. But I do feel a little vulnerable. Sometimes I have asked Security to escort us to the car.

We had been down for the year when I won the BJ tournament, about $18,000 - so we are nicely up at the moment. But before you get jealous about those 2 winning days, here are some of our losing days so far this year - all these figures are net losses in one day:

Scads of days losing $1000-$2000
$3280
$2600
$4790
4900
6000
4805
2500
3750
6865
3660
4000
2778
2885
3810
4690

Days winning over $2000

3160
13,410
3950
3705
6036
3750

All the rest of the days were "average" - which we consider winning or losing $2000 or less. Do note that this is just VP figures and we mostly play NSUD, 9/6 JoB, and 8/5 Bonus - negative games so we SHOULD lose on the game itself. But we get thousands of dollars in bounce-back, cashback, and cash equivalents (i.e., gift certificates/cards we can use for things we would buy anyway). We do not keep track of comps like food, rooms, shows, gifts. That is all "gravy."

Next time you think about going up in denomination, ask yourself if you could stomach this roller coaster ride.

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  Frugal series of books.

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#3

We were in Vegas a few week's ago. Judy hit a royal on 10/7 Bonus at the Orleans on our second day, and didn't like carrying around all that cash. We called the AAA, but they said they dont sell traveler's checks any more.
   I carried the money in my front pocket, because we thought it would be safer than in her purse. It wasn't too scary in the casinos, but I was still nervous walking to the Lady Luck downtown. There are some creepy looking character's down there.
We blew some of her win later in the trip, but were happy to get back to Philadelphia and put it back in the bank.

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

At the Grand Victoria (Elgin IL) a few years ago I hit a progressive for
$7889.59. They refused to give me check saying it had to be $10,000 or
more. Since the place had an armored card shoot out a few weeks earlier, I
was more than a little nervous. This was also before open boarding so I had
to wait 20 minutes to get off. I had security escort me to my car and drove
straight to the bank with no problem (whew!).

[Original Message]
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 6/17/2004 2:18:40 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Risk of Robbery?

I recently won a jackpot, in amount of a little over $2000.
Requested--at initial contact with relevant personnel--to be paid by
check; response was that this is done ONLY for $5000+.

It has "occured to me" that my name/address/date/amount are in
casino's information system. Very probably, accessible over Internet
by any person able to either comply with, or bypass, relevant
security procedures.

Including some who might see fit to be party to a robbery . .

My specific question. Has any W2G recipient, who received payment in
currency, ever had "reason to suspect" such conduct? Especially in
the Las Vegas area?

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#4

Another thing you can do is, during business hours, go to the post office and buy a money order of up to $1,000 for a $1.25 fee and mail it home (or to a creditor). I typically do that with half of each major win to keep myself from giving it all back, but it would also make you less robbable.

Andrew

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----- Original Message -----
  From: The Wild Joker
  To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 4:49 PM
  Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Risk of Robbery?

     We were in Vegas a few week's ago. Judy hit a royal on 10/7 Bonus at the Orleans on our second day, and didn't like carrying around all that cash. We called the AAA, but they said they dont sell traveler's checks any more.
     I carried the money in my front pocket, because we thought it would be safer than in her purse. It wasn't too scary in the casinos, but I was still nervous walking to the Lady Luck downtown. There are some creepy looking character's down there.
  We blew some of her win later in the trip, but were happy to get back to Philadelphia and put it back in the bank.

  Ned C.
  The Wild Joker

  Howard Stern <howard.w.stern@earthlink.net> wrote:
  At the Grand Victoria (Elgin IL) a few years ago I hit a progressive for
  $7889.59. They refused to give me check saying it had to be $10,000 or
  more. Since the place had an armored card shoot out a few weeks earlier, I
  was more than a little nervous. This was also before open boarding so I had
  to wait 20 minutes to get off. I had security escort me to my car and drove
  straight to the bank with no problem (whew!).

  > [Original Message]
  > From: sphboc2003 <sphboc@aol.com>
  > To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
  > Date: 6/17/2004 2:18:40 PM
  > Subject: [vpFREE] Risk of Robbery?
  >
  > I recently won a jackpot, in amount of a little over $2000.
  > Requested--at initial contact with relevant personnel--to be paid by
  > check; response was that this is done ONLY for $5000+.
  >
  > It has "occured to me" that my name/address/date/amount are in
  > casino's information system. Very probably, accessible over Internet
  > by any person able to either comply with, or bypass, relevant
  > security procedures.
  >
  > Including some who might see fit to be party to a robbery . .
  >
  > My specific question. Has any W2G recipient, who received payment in
  > currency, ever had "reason to suspect" such conduct? Especially in
  > the Las Vegas area?
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
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#5

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Jean Scott" <QueenofComps@f...>
wrote:

I recently had a couple lucky hits. Won the BJ tournament at Rio

on Sunday and was paid the $20,000 in $100 chips, stacked in racks.
Security walked Brad and me to cashier to redeem them for cash.
Took $5000 in cash (we had been experiencing a long losing streak
before this and our cash reserves were low) and $15,000 in a check.

Then two days later I was dealt a royal on the $1 Five Play NSUD

and again took $5000 in cash and $15,000 in check. I just can't
keep from being excited - so there was a big crowd around
the "lucky" machine. Brad is very watchful when we go to the car
after a big win. But I do feel a little vulnerable. Sometimes I
have asked Security to escort us to the car.

We had been down for the year when I won the BJ tournament, about

$18,000 - so we are nicely up at the moment. But before you get
jealous about those 2 winning days, here are some of our losing days
so far this year - all these figures are net losses in one day:

Scads of days losing $1000-$2000
$3280
$2600
$4790
4900
6000
4805
2500
3750
6865
3660
4000
2778
2885
3810
4690

Days winning over $2000

3160
13,410
3950
3705
6036
3750

All the rest of the days were "average" - which we consider

winning or losing $2000 or less. Do note that this is just VP
figures and we mostly play NSUD, 9/6 JoB, and 8/5 Bonus - negative
games so we SHOULD lose on the game itself. But we get thousands of
dollars in bounce-back, cashback, and cash equivalents (i.e., gift
certificates/cards we can use for things we would buy anyway). We
do not keep track of comps like food, rooms, shows, gifts. That is
all "gravy."

Next time you think about going up in denomination, ask yourself

if you could stomach this roller coaster ride.

________________________________________
Jean $¢ott - Go to http://www.FrugalGambler.biz
  for VP software and strategy cards and for the
  Frugal series of books.

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If you play 5 play $1 NSU dueces and don't hit a royal a good day is
not losing $5000 in 3 hours.

#6

The Wild Joker wrote:

   We were in Vegas a few week's ago. Judy hit a royal on 10/7 Bonus
at the Orleans on our second day, and didn't like carrying around
all that cash. We called the AAA, but they said they dont sell
traveler's checks any more.
   I carried the money in my front pocket, because we thought it
would be safer than in her purse. It wasn't too scary in the
casinos, but I was still nervous walking to the Lady Luck downtown.
There are some creepy looking character's down there.
We blew some of her win later in the trip, but were happy to get
back to Philadelphia and put it back in the bank.

I can't speak to the locals, but the Strip casinos (and AC ones as
well) will allow you to put cash on deposit at the cage (into an
account alternately called a safekeeping or front money account).

It's a far more comfortable alternative to even a room safe and leaves
the money accessible should later trip losses run higher than hoped
(although when the option of full or partial payment of a jackpot by
check is available it's nice to be assured that you've locked some of
that cash into a return home :wink:

- Harry

#7

If you play 5 play $1 NSU dueces and don't hit a royal a good day is
not losing $5000 in 3 hours.

I was playing single-line .50 NSUD tonight, and in 1 1/2 hours I never had
over a four-of-a-kind and lost $240.
-- Steve in LV

#8

nsud drops 6% without a royal or deuces
on dollar 5 coin that's 1000 hands/hr x $5 x 6% = $300/hr average
the deuces cycle is 5,000 hands, 1 cycle is 63% likely, 2 cycles 86%,
3 cycles 95%, 4 cycles 98%, 5 cycles 99%, or in other words there is
a 1% chance of going 5 cycles (25,000 hands) without hitting the
deuces (25 x $300 = $7500)
generally the lower hands will average out
the wild royal cycle is 500 hands so by 2500 hands you should be
running about average minus royal and deuces (-6%)
wild royal, 5 of a kind and straight flush are each about 5% so
without those you'd average down about 21%
on $.50 5 coin that's 1000 hands/hr x $2.50 x 21% = $525/hr average
that's pretty much a worse case scenario 1000 hands
(100-.002-.02-.2-.3-.5)=98.978%
.98978^1000=.003% chance of happening

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Delnero" <artcontrol@c...>
wrote:

If you play 5 play $1 NSU dueces and don't hit a royal a good day is
not losing $5000 in 3 hours.

I was playing single-line .50 NSUD tonight, and in 1 1/2 hours I

never had

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over a four-of-a-kind and lost $240.
-- Steve in LV

#9

In Las Vegas, The Foreign Money Exchange at 101 Convention Center,
across from the Stardust, will sell traveler's checks, without charge.

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:51:59 -0700, you wrote:

Another thing you can do is, during business hours, go to the post office and buy a money order of up to $1,000 for a $1.25 fee and mail it home (or to a creditor). I typically do that with half of each major win to keep myself from giving it all back, but it would also make you less robbable.

Andrew
----- Original Message -----
From: The Wild Joker
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 4:49 PM
Subject: RE: [vpFREE] Risk of Robbery?

    We were in Vegas a few week's ago. Judy hit a royal on 10/7 Bonus at the Orleans on our second day, and didn't like carrying around all that cash. We called the AAA, but they said they dont sell traveler's checks any more.
    I carried the money in my front pocket, because we thought it would be safer than in her purse. It wasn't too scary in the casinos, but I was still nervous walking to the Lady Luck downtown. There are some creepy looking character's down there.
We blew some of her win later in the trip, but were happy to get back to Philadelphia and put it back in the bank.

Ned C.
The Wild Joker

Howard Stern <howard.w.stern@earthlink.net> wrote:
At the Grand Victoria (Elgin IL) a few years ago I hit a progressive for
$7889.59. They refused to give me check saying it had to be $10,000 or
more. Since the place had an armored card shoot out a few weeks earlier, I
was more than a little nervous. This was also before open boarding so I had
to wait 20 minutes to get off. I had security escort me to my car and drove
straight to the bank with no problem (whew!).

> [Original Message]
> From: sphboc2003 <sphboc@aol.com>
> To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 6/17/2004 2:18:40 PM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Risk of Robbery?
>
> I recently won a jackpot, in amount of a little over $2000.
> Requested--at initial contact with relevant personnel--to be paid by
> check; response was that this is done ONLY for $5000+.
>
> It has "occured to me" that my name/address/date/amount are in
> casino's information system. Very probably, accessible over Internet
> by any person able to either comply with, or bypass, relevant
> security procedures.
>
> Including some who might see fit to be party to a robbery . .
>
> My specific question. Has any W2G recipient, who received payment in
> currency, ever had "reason to suspect" such conduct? Especially in
> the Las Vegas area?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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#10

another way to do this is to look at the variance without royal or
deuces:
26-14-8=4
then return (2sd)=
-.06xN +/- 2 x sqrt(4xN)
for 1000 hands=
-60 +/- 126 bets
for 10,000 hands=
-600 +/- 400 bets
that's the trend, for each deuces add 200 bets, for each royal add
800 bets

fpdw is the same except drop without royal or deuces is only 5%