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Rio vp question

#1

You can easily configure the double deuces game in Winpoker by opening using the "change paytable" command under "options" on the full pay deuces game.
The full five coin paytable is 4000, 2000, 125, 80, 55, 20, 15, 10, 10, 5.
Also note that you should consider making much of your play across the street at the Palms.
They have many over 100% games.

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From: deuceswildbill36
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 9/14/2003 3:14:00 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Rio vp question

Hello all. I will be taking advantage of an offer to spend 4 comped
nights at the Rio during Thanksgiving week. As I anticipate getting
ready to play there, I see from the VP board (thank you, thank you VP
administrator!!) that the best .25 cent games are either 16/11 DDW at
99.6% and the homely 8/5 BP at 99.2%. I know BP well and though I
can play DW, I am unfamiliar with DDW. Further, Winpoker doesn't
have this game, so I can't practice in advance. (Winpoker does not
have the option of configuing a wild card game.) So, VP experts,
shall I stick with the easy, tried and true BP, or should I live on
the wild side and figure out what I must do to get the
additional .5% If the latter, what is it that I do??? Also, what is
the anticipated variance and volatility? Anybody know? Thanks so
much. Good fortune to all. Bill

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#2

Hello again. I wrote the message previously and wish to
especially thank Howard Stern for responding directly to my
question. The others who advised me to walk across the street to the
Palms, while trying to be helpful, simply weren't.
    The Rio is letting me stay there for 4 comped nights. As such,
I don't mind giving them some play, their "dis-advantaged" paytables
notwithstanding. Sooooo, given my decision (I will also likely give
some play to the Palms, thank you very much) let me return to my
original question.
      The best .25 cent games there, according to the VPFREE links
for the Rio are either 16/11 DDW at

99.6% or the homely 8/5 BP at 99.2%. I know BP well and though I
am also familiar with DW, I am unfamiliar with DDW. Howard Stern

lists some numbers below, but they are not 16/11. Does anyone else
have the paytable for this game? Does anyone have some idea about
the variance/volatility? Any advice (short of advising me to go to
another casino) would be most appreciated. Good fortune to all.
Bill
     Howard Stern

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern" <howard.w.stern@e...>
wrote:

You can easily configure the double deuces game in Winpoker by

opening using the "change paytable" command under "options" on the
full pay deuces game.

The full five coin paytable is 4000, 2000, 125, 80, 55, 20, 15, 10,

10, 5.

Also note that you should consider making much of your play across

the street at the Palms.

They have many over 100% games.

From: deuceswildbill36
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 9/14/2003 3:14:00 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Rio vp question

Hello all. I will be taking advantage of an offer to spend 4 comped
nights at the Rio during Thanksgiving week. As I anticipate

getting

ready to play there, I see from the VP board (thank you, thank you

VP

administrator!!) that the best .25 cent games are either 16/11 DDW

at

99.6% and the homely 8/5 BP at 99.2%. I know BP well and though I
can play DW, I am unfamiliar with DDW. Further, Winpoker doesn't
have this game, so I can't practice in advance. (Winpoker does not
have the option of configuing a wild card game.) So, VP experts,
shall I stick with the easy, tried and true BP, or should I live on
the wild side and figure out what I must do to get the
additional .5% If the latter, what is it that I do??? Also, what

is

the anticipated variance and volatility? Anybody know? Thanks so
much. Good fortune to all. Bill

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#3

You might want to check to see if any Sneaky Queens (8/5 BP with an
extra bonus feature) are still left there. Also, there was a lone
Blackjack Poker quarter machine in Masquerade Village awhile back. I
believe the ev is "around" 99%.

Scot

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-----Original Message-----
From: deuceswildbill36 [mailto:deuceswildbil…@…com]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:20 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Rio vp question - one more time …

     Hello again. I wrote the message previously and wish to
especially thank Howard Stern for responding directly to my
question. The others who advised me to walk across the street to the
Palms, while trying to be helpful, simply weren't.
    The Rio is letting me stay there for 4 comped nights. As such,
I don't mind giving them some play, their "dis-advantaged" paytables
notwithstanding. Sooooo, given my decision (I will also likely give
some play to the Palms, thank you very much) let me return to my
original question.
      The best .25 cent games there, according to the VPFREE links
for the Rio are either 16/11 DDW at

99.6% or the homely 8/5 BP at 99.2%. I know BP well and though I
am also familiar with DW, I am unfamiliar with DDW. Howard Stern

lists some numbers below, but they are not 16/11. Does anyone else
have the paytable for this game? Does anyone have some idea about
the variance/volatility? Any advice (short of advising me to go to
another casino) would be most appreciated. Good fortune to all.
Bill
     Howard Stern

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern" <howard.w.stern@e...>
wrote:

You can easily configure the double deuces game in Winpoker by

opening using the "change paytable" command under "options" on the
full pay deuces game.

The full five coin paytable is 4000, 2000, 125, 80, 55, 20, 15, 10,

10, 5.

Also note that you should consider making much of your play across

the street at the Palms.

They have many over 100% games.

----- Original Message -----
From: deuceswildbill36
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 9/14/2003 3:14:00 PM
Subject: [vpFREE] Rio vp question

Hello all. I will be taking advantage of an offer to spend 4 comped
nights at the Rio during Thanksgiving week. As I anticipate

getting

ready to play there, I see from the VP board (thank you, thank you

VP

administrator!!) that the best .25 cent games are either 16/11 DDW

at

99.6% and the homely 8/5 BP at 99.2%. I know BP well and though I
can play DW, I am unfamiliar with DDW. Further, Winpoker doesn't
have this game, so I can't practice in advance. (Winpoker does not
have the option of configuing a wild card game.) So, VP experts,
shall I stick with the easy, tried and true BP, or should I live on
the wild side and figure out what I must do to get the
additional .5% If the latter, what is it that I do??? Also, what

is

the anticipated variance and volatility? Anybody know? Thanks so
much. Good fortune to all. Bill

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#4

"Howard Stern" wrote:

You can easily configure the double deuces game in Winpoker by

opening using the "change paytable" command under "options" on the full
pay deuces game. The full five coin paytable is 4000, 2000, 125, 80,
55, 20, 15, 10, 10, 5. <<<

On 16 Sep 2003 at 3:20, deuceswildbill36 replied:

      The best .25 cent games there, according to the VPFREE links for
the Rio are either 16/11 DDW at 99.6% or the homely 8/5 BP at 99.2%.
I know BP well and though I am also familiar with DW, I am unfamiliar
with DDW. Howard Stern lists some numbers below, but they are not
16/11. Does anyone else have the paytable for this game? Does anyone
have some idea about the variance/volatility?

Howard's paytable is correct for five coins.

Here's the one coin info from the vpFREE Glossary:

DDW - Double Deuces - FP = 1-2-2-3-4-11-16-25-400-800 (99.62% - 50.99 VAR)

The Glossary contains information on most full-pay games, and many other
paytables can be found at 5-card's site and in vpFREE's "VP Pay Tables". Links
to all of these are on the vpFREE home page and on various other pages.

vpFREE Administrator

#5

I wrote a "quick and dirty" program that estimates Blackjack Bonus
Pokers' return at 99.3%. It is a highly volatile game with some
strategy quirks. You can program winpoker with all jacks as kickers
(instead of just the black jacks) to get a feel for the game. I also
have a DOS program that correctly evaluates individual hands.

Also, do the sneaky queens ever really help? My wife played the game
one time for about two hours and only saw them twice.

Dick

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Scot Krause" <krauseinvegas@w...>
wrote:

You might want to check to see if any Sneaky Queens (8/5 BP with an
extra bonus feature) are still left there. Also, there was a lone
Blackjack Poker quarter machine in Masquerade Village awhile back. I
believe the ev is "around" 99%.

Scot

From: deuceswildbill36 [mailto:deuceswildbill36@y…]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 8:20 PM
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [vpFREE] Rio vp question - one more time …

     Hello again. I wrote the message previously and wish to
especially thank Howard Stern for responding directly to my
question. The others who advised me to walk across the street to

the

Palms, while trying to be helpful, simply weren't.
    The Rio is letting me stay there for 4 comped nights. As

such,

I don't mind giving them some play, their "dis-advantaged"

paytables

notwithstanding. Sooooo, given my decision (I will also likely

give

some play to the Palms, thank you very much) let me return to my
original question.
      The best .25 cent games there, according to the VPFREE links
for the Rio are either 16/11 DDW at
> 99.6% or the homely 8/5 BP at 99.2%. I know BP well and though I
> am also familiar with DW, I am unfamiliar with DDW. Howard Stern
lists some numbers below, but they are not 16/11. Does anyone else
have the paytable for this game? Does anyone have some idea about
the variance/volatility? Any advice (short of advising me to go to
another casino) would be most appreciated. Good fortune to all.
Bill
     Howard Stern

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Howard Stern"

<howard.w.stern@e...>

wrote:
> You can easily configure the double deuces game in Winpoker by
opening using the "change paytable" command under "options" on the
full pay deuces game.
> The full five coin paytable is 4000, 2000, 125, 80, 55, 20, 15,

10,

10, 5.
> Also note that you should consider making much of your play

across

the street at the Palms.
> They have many over 100% games.
>
>
> From: deuceswildbill36
> To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: 9/14/2003 3:14:00 PM
> Subject: [vpFREE] Rio vp question
>
>
> Hello all. I will be taking advantage of an offer to spend 4

comped

> nights at the Rio during Thanksgiving week. As I anticipate
getting
> ready to play there, I see from the VP board (thank you, thank

you

VP
> administrator!!) that the best .25 cent games are either 16/11

DDW

at
> 99.6% and the homely 8/5 BP at 99.2%. I know BP well and though

I

> can play DW, I am unfamiliar with DDW. Further, Winpoker doesn't
> have this game, so I can't practice in advance. (Winpoker does

not

> have the option of configuing a wild card game.) So, VP experts,
> shall I stick with the easy, tried and true BP, or should I live

on

> the wild side and figure out what I must do to get the
> additional .5% If the latter, what is it that I do??? Also,

what

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> much. Good fortune to all. Bill
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#6

Thanks everyone. (but 50.99 var., oy vey) Howard Stern, I
publicly "accused you" of providing misinformation. I hereby retract
that statement, oh wise one. You were right on the money. What a
terrific board this is! Good fortune everyone. Bill

"Howard Stern" wrote:

>>> You can easily configure the double deuces game in Winpoker by
opening using the "change paytable" command under "options" on the

full

pay deuces game. The full five coin paytable is 4000, 2000, 125, 80,
55, 20, 15, 10, 10, 5. <<<

On 16 Sep 2003 at 3:20, deuceswildbill36 replied:

> The best .25 cent games there, according to the VPFREE

links for

> the Rio are either 16/11 DDW at 99.6% or the homely 8/5 BP at

99.2%.

> I know BP well and though I am also familiar with DW, I am

unfamiliar

> with DDW. Howard Stern lists some numbers below, but they are not
> 16/11. Does anyone else have the paytable for this game? Does

anyone

> have some idea about the variance/volatility?

Howard's paytable is correct for five coins.

Here's the one coin info from the vpFREE Glossary:

DDW - Double Deuces - FP = 1-2-2-3-4-11-16-25-400-800 (99.62% -

50.99 VAR)

The Glossary contains information on most full-pay games, and

many other

paytables can be found at 5-card's site and in vpFREE's "VP Pay

Tables". Links

to all of these are on the vpFREE home page and on various other

pages.

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