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Rewards Credits For Cash

I'm sorry if this post is off topic, but I earned almost all of my
rewards credits playing 9/6 JB video poker.

I usually gamble at Bally's in Atlantic City, but sometimes at the
Showboat and Caesars if they have special promotions there. With
reward credit multipliers and bonuses, I've managed to accumulate
216331 rewards credits ($2,163 comp dollars) since January. The
casinos periodically have special days where you can convert your
rewards credits to cash, but you only get 2 for 1 (50%). It seems
that most of these 50% offers are towards the end of the year. In
2007 I missed out on the 50% offers, and was able to take advantage
of an unexpected 1 for 1 (100%) cash offer from Bally's in January
2008, from which I collected $897. I know this offer wasn't extended
to everyone. Anyway, I'm debating whether or not to take advantage
of the Showboat's 50% offer on December 27, or hold out to see if I
get a 100% offer later on.

If it helps, although my gambling has stayed consistent (my tier
score this year is 42,491, higher than the 35,000 or so I had last
year), it seems that my offers from Bally's are dropping. I was
getting 2 $50 coupons per month up to November, this month nothing.
I was getting $35 per week for 30 minutes of play a few months ago,
then it dropped to $25, and for January it dropped to $20. I did
spend a few days recently collecting free money and perks without
gambling, but I still did a lot of gambling at Bally's.

I also noticed last Friday (11/29) that there was a drum for
postcards for a 10x comps offer that I did not get. Is Bally's
generally cutting back on their offers due to the tough economy, or
are they penalizing me in particular for perhaps not gambling enough
and/or taking advantage of too many free offers?

My thoughts are as follows:
- If I take the guaranteed 50%, I can lose out on the other 50% if I
get a 100% offer later on.
- If I don't take the guaranteed 50%, I can probably get the same 50%
deal late next year, but I may be forced to do some gambling in order
to be eligible (and I recently became unemployed and not sure if I
will continue my gambling at the same pace, especially since my
offers seem to be drying up).
- At the worst, if I don't get another cash back offer, I should be
able to exchange my comps for Shell gas cards at 50%, and sell the
gas cards for 82%. So I would end up with 41% of my comp balance. I
could also use the comps to purchase some overpriced item that I
don't need, and my return would probably be in the 40%-50% range (but
not in cash).
- I suppose that if there is a reasonable chance of a future 100%
cash offer, it would pay for me to wait. Without such an offer, I
would rather take the 50% in cash now.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. It would also help
me if you know of any future Bally's 100% cash for comps offers that
I was excluded from.

I would ask if your name/address are correct in their records and who was entitled
to the 10x drawing. If you have a host ask them if they know if 1 for 1 offer was coming.
Always ask, never can really tell you may have just slipped through the cracks in their system.
JR

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--- On Wed, 12/10/08, Alan <alan3262@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Alan <alan3262@yahoo.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Rewards Credits For Cash
To: vpFREE@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 10, 2008, 1:08 AM

I'm sorry if this post is off topic, but I earned almost all of my
rewards credits playing 9/6 JB video poker.

I usually gamble at Bally's in Atlantic City, but sometimes at the
Showboat and Caesars if they have special promotions there. With
reward credit multipliers and bonuses, I've managed to accumulate
216331 rewards credits ($2,163 comp dollars) since January. The
casinos periodically have special days where you can convert your
rewards credits to cash, but you only get 2 for 1 (50%). It seems
that most of these 50% offers are towards the end of the year. In
2007 I missed out on the 50% offers, and was able to take advantage
of an unexpected 1 for 1 (100%) cash offer from Bally's in January
2008, from which I collected $897. I know this offer wasn't extended
to everyone. Anyway, I'm debating whether or not to take advantage
of the Showboat's 50% offer on December 27, or hold out to see if I
get a 100% offer later on.

If it helps, although my gambling has stayed consistent (my tier
score this year is 42,491, higher than the 35,000 or so I had last
year), it seems that my offers from Bally's are dropping. I was
getting 2 $50 coupons per month up to November, this month nothing.
I was getting $35 per week for 30 minutes of play a few months ago,
then it dropped to $25, and for January it dropped to $20. I did
spend a few days recently collecting free money and perks without
gambling, but I still did a lot of gambling at Bally's.

I also noticed last Friday (11/29) that there was a drum for
postcards for a 10x comps offer that I did not get. Is Bally's
generally cutting back on their offers due to the tough economy, or
are they penalizing me in particular for perhaps not gambling enough
and/or taking advantage of too many free offers?

My thoughts are as follows:
- If I take the guaranteed 50%, I can lose out on the other 50% if I
get a 100% offer later on.
- If I don't take the guaranteed 50%, I can probably get the same 50%
deal late next year, but I may be forced to do some gambling in order
to be eligible (and I recently became unemployed and not sure if I
will continue my gambling at the same pace, especially since my
offers seem to be drying up).
- At the worst, if I don't get another cash back offer, I should be
able to exchange my comps for Shell gas cards at 50%, and sell the
gas cards for 82%. So I would end up with 41% of my comp balance. I
could also use the comps to purchase some overpriced item that I
don't need, and my return would probably be in the 40%-50% range (but
not in cash).
- I suppose that if there is a reasonable chance of a future 100%
cash offer, it would pay for me to wait. Without such an offer, I
would rather take the 50% in cash now.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. It would also help
me if you know of any future Bally's 100% cash for comps offers that
I was excluded from.

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From the trend of your monthly offers, it sounds like you are letting your daily average slip perhaps by not concentrating your play when you pick up offers.

The one for one offers of early this year were like gold falling out the sky. It is a crap shot as to whether they will be offered again but I would not count on it.

http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008

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From the trend of your monthly offers, it sounds like you are

letting your daily average slip perhaps by not concentrating your
play when you pick up offers.

The one for one offers of early this year were like gold falling

out the sky. It is a crap shot as to whether they will be offered
again but I would not count on it.

http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?

ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008

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I think you are correct. I also just learned that if you visit
multiple casinos and don't gamble much at the others, this lowers
things. I've been guilty of sometimes checking my comp balance or
picking up small cash back offers at the Showboat and Caesars even if
I don't gamble there, and this is probably hurting me. Although if I
have to stay at the Showboat (because Bally's is unavailable) and
they deduct the room tax from my comp balance, I wonder if that will
trigger my play anyway.

I shouldn't have said I'm getting nothing, but I didn't get the usual
December mailer from Bally's (my main casino) where I normally get 2
$50 coupons for each 1/2 of the month good Mon.-Thu. along with some
multiplier offers. I did get a $75 slot play coupon good on Sat.
12/13, and a postcard with a $50 offer on 12/24 or 12/25. I also got
a comp multiplier, but it is a 3x/4x/5x/6x/7x coupon where you have
to play every day from 12/26-30 to get the multiplier increased.
Last December the multipliers I got were much better.

I should probably cut back on my gambling anyway now that I'm
unemployed (but 2007 and 2008 have been winning years), and I think
businesses in general are cutting back on things, including casinos.
For example, the Ceasars Diamond Club has taken cost cutting measures
to distribute napkins at the tables rather than keeping them in piles
by the utensils. So most likely you are correct about another 100%
offer not being likely, and I'll probably take the 50% cash for comps
offer at the Showboat on 12/27, and stop by to pick up free money
whenever it seems worthwhile. Eventually the offers will dry up,
then after awhile they'll probably miss me and send me some good
offers and make gambling there more worthwhile.

I really can't complain. Playing 9/6 JB for $1, I hit 2 royal
flushes this year and am up about $1000. I also got $897 cash for my
comps from 2007 in January, probably received over $1000 in cash back
based on actual play and special offers, and will get close to $1100
more if I use the 50% cash for comps offer in 2 weeks.

To Graytleegray: I usually go for a weekend, but sometimes I'll just
go for the day if I'm only picking up free money. I get occasional
tournament offers but they don't seem worthwhile to make a special
trip. As far as my comps, since I go alone and have no one to
impress, I eat exclsively at the Diamond Clubs where I don't have to
use my comps (they have better hours in AC than Vegas), and sneak out
a few sandwiches in case I get hungry late at night. I usually get
LFB status but it does nothing because they take comps out first.
The only benefit of LFB was that I wasn't charged the room tax (now
$13), but now they're taking it out of my comp balance anyway. LFB
will only be useful right after I cash in my comps when there is a
zero balance. As far as the gas cards, I think that they are Shell
cards and are offered by Bally's (at 50% of comp value). I believe
that they also have gift cards for Macy's and Kay-Bee toys. I'll
find out what they have the next time I go back, probably Saturday.
Bally's AC is a very good place to gamble for 9/6 $1 JB. The
machines are progressive jackpots (usually not that high and in the
$4100 range, but occasionally can get close to or exceed 100% EV),
the earned cash back for your next trip based on actual coin-in is
about 0.21%-0.22% (Caesars and the Showboat are about half that),
plus the cash or slot play coupons or offers that come in the mail.
If you can get 5x comps (which is really 6x because the 5x is an
extra bonus), valuing the comps at 50% gives you 0.30% cash and puts
you clearly over 100% EV.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, kelso 1600 <kelso1600@...> wrote:

The Harrahs properties had several 1-1 RC to cash events in early 2008, but I don't think
anyone has gotten any 1-1 offers for many months. Given the financial condition of HET
casinos, I would be surprised if any more surface soon, but I have been surprised before.

The 2-1 offers are frequent. I didn't realize that they were at all selective with these. They
have recently frequently associated with progressive RC multiplier offers where you earn
bonus RCs at an increasing rate with multiple visits.

Showboat has another 2-1 RC to cash offer on 1/31/2009. That is the only other RC to
cash offer I see on my Harrahs offers page.

AJ

In 2007 I missed out on the 50% offers, and was able to take advantage

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of an unexpected 1 for 1 (100%) cash offer from Bally's in January
2008, from which I collected $897. I know this offer wasn't extended
to everyone. Anyway, I'm debating whether or not to take advantage
of the Showboat's 50% offer on December 27, or hold out to see if I
get a 100% offer later on.

My thoughts are as follows:
- If I take the guaranteed 50%, I can lose out on the other 50% if I
get a 100% offer later on.

Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. It would also help
me if you know of any future Bally's 100% cash for comps offers that
I was excluded from.

The Harrahs properties had several 1-1 RC to cash events in early

2008, but I don't think

anyone has gotten any 1-1 offers for many months. Given the

financial condition of HET

casinos, I would be surprised if any more surface soon, but I have

been surprised before.

The 2-1 offers are frequent. I didn't realize that they were at

all selective with these. They

have recently frequently associated with progressive RC multiplier

offers where you earn

bonus RCs at an increasing rate with multiple visits.

Showboat has another 2-1 RC to cash offer on 1/31/2009. That is

the only other RC to

cash offer I see on my Harrahs offers page.

AJ

In 2007 I missed out on the 50% offers, and was able to take

advantage

> of an unexpected 1 for 1 (100%) cash offer from Bally's in

January

> 2008, from which I collected $897. I know this offer wasn't

extended

> to everyone. Anyway, I'm debating whether or not to take

advantage

> of the Showboat's 50% offer on December 27, or hold out to see if

I

> get a 100% offer later on.

> My thoughts are as follows:
> - If I take the guaranteed 50%, I can lose out on the other 50%

if I

> get a 100% offer later on.

> Any thoughts or suggestions would be appreciated. It would also

help

> me if you know of any future Bally's 100% cash for comps offers

that

> I was excluded from.

Thanks, I just checked my offers page and I have the same offer at
the Showboat on 01/31/2009. So I'll hold off on the 12/27/2008
offer - just in case someone puts out a 1-1 offer between 12/27 and
1/31. Also, I might be able to get some additional comps between
those 2 dates.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "AJ" <mile_5280@...> wrote: