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Revel's Loss Rebate

#1

Thing is, revel is likely within their rights to deny anyone they choose the promo, even if they play within the rules, the management reserves all rights clause. Silver sevens, formerly terrible's, stiffed me on their 10% table games rebate onlosses over 1k the second time I tried to collect it. They had ample reason for them not to want me to play blackjack there based on skill level whether or not I played within the rules.

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On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 6:30 PM CDT richard d wrote:

I would think anyone that came forward to publicly complain to a governmental agency and is a big VP player would be nervous about a having a high profile. I don't think this will jump to the mainstream press. I would not consider uspoker.com on the same level as the NYT, WSJ or Washington Post. I doubt this story will make it to the Huffington Post.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
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> had imagined that Mickey's ego was sufficiently intact that he wouldn't have come forward with a "lookee what I came up with" post)
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I only posted it here after it became public information vis a vis WoV. But I do admit to some vanity here. I haven't been in the types of casinos you guys play for almost 7 years. Everything is totally different here. But I was extremely confident that, with hundreds of different kinds of games available these days, someone would find a way to beat the cardreaders at Revel. And I was right. Whether they get the rebates is another question.

http://www.uspoker.com/blog/players-accuse-revel-of-not-honoring-100000-loss-rebate-promotion/4647/

We'll see if the bigger news outlets pick up on the story.

#2

Since when does "management" have "the right" to abrogate an
expressly-stated agreement with a customer.

If you place a bet on a blackjack table, the casino management does not
have "the right" to have the cocktail waitress swipe it off
the table, quoting it's "right" to do as it pleases.

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On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Jake Radel <jakeradel@yahoo.com> wrote:

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Thing is, revel is likely within their rights to deny anyone they choose
the promo, even if they play within the rules, the management reserves all
rights clause. Silver sevens, formerly terrible's, stiffed me on their 10%
table games rebate onlosses over 1k the second time I tried to collect it.
They had ample reason for them not to want me to play blackjack there based
on skill level whether or not I played within the rules.

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On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 6:30 PM CDT richard d wrote:

>I would think anyone that came forward to publicly complain to a
governmental agency and is a big VP player would be nervous about a having
a high profile. I don't think this will jump to the mainstream press. I
would not consider uspoker.com on the same level as the NYT, WSJ or
Washington Post. I doubt this story will make it to the Huffington Post.
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>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:
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>> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
>> >
>> > had imagined that Mickey's ego was sufficiently intact that he
wouldn't have come forward with a "lookee what I came up with" post)
>> >
>> >
>> I only posted it here after it became public information vis a vis WoV.
But I do admit to some vanity here. I haven't been in the types of casinos
you guys play for almost 7 years. Everything is totally different here. But
I was extremely confident that, with hundreds of different kinds of games
available these days, someone would find a way to beat the cardreaders at
Revel. And I was right. Whether they get the rebates is another question.
>>
>>
http://www.uspoker.com/blog/players-accuse-revel-of-not-honoring-100000-loss-rebate-promotion/4647/
>>
>> We'll see if the bigger news outlets pick up on the story.
>>
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#3

Exactly, management may "reserve all rights" but in NJ they don't have the right to exclude law abiding citizens of legal age. In NV, for now they do, except in North Las Vegas, but that will likely change at some time in the future. Any business will have a tough time trying to claim in court that they can exclude anyone with no reason at all. That would be just a run around around the civil rights act.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/nlv-court-rules-nv-casino-cant-trespass-advantage-player-948630/

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory Bart Jr." <broncosaurus@...> wrote:

Since when does "management" have "the right" to abrogate an
expressly-stated agreement with a customer.

If you place a bet on a blackjack table, the casino management does not
have "the right" to have the cocktail waitress swipe it off
the table, quoting it's "right" to do as it pleases.

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Jake Radel <jakeradel@...> wrote:

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> Thing is, revel is likely within their rights to deny anyone they choose
> the promo, even if they play within the rules, the management reserves all
> rights clause. Silver sevens, formerly terrible's, stiffed me on their 10%
> table games rebate onlosses over 1k the second time I tried to collect it.
> They had ample reason for them not to want me to play blackjack there based
> on skill level whether or not I played within the rules.
>
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> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 6:30 PM CDT richard d wrote:
>
> >I would think anyone that came forward to publicly complain to a
> governmental agency and is a big VP player would be nervous about a having
> a high profile. I don't think this will jump to the mainstream press. I
> would not consider uspoker.com on the same level as the NYT, WSJ or
> Washington Post. I doubt this story will make it to the Huffington Post.
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> >--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
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> >> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > had imagined that Mickey's ego was sufficiently intact that he
> wouldn't have come forward with a "lookee what I came up with" post)
> >> >
> >> >
> >> I only posted it here after it became public information vis a vis WoV.
> But I do admit to some vanity here. I haven't been in the types of casinos
> you guys play for almost 7 years. Everything is totally different here. But
> I was extremely confident that, with hundreds of different kinds of games
> available these days, someone would find a way to beat the cardreaders at
> Revel. And I was right. Whether they get the rebates is another question.
> >>
> >>
> http://www.uspoker.com/blog/players-accuse-revel-of-not-honoring-100000-loss-rebate-promotion/4647/
> >>
> >> We'll see if the bigger news outlets pick up on the story.
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#4

The rules do not say "management reserves all rights" for any reason whatsoever. It reads exactly this: "Management reserves the right to change or cancel this promotion at any time without notice for any reason subject to any applicable regulatory approval." Do you seriously believe that the NJGC would allow Revel to retroactively steal $100K from a player who has earned it by following the rules of the promotion. They may be able to end the promotion at a certain point but players would still be due any accrued rebates they have earned to that point.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Jake Radel <jakeradel@...> wrote:

Thing is, revel is likely within their rights to deny anyone they choose the promo, even if they play within the rules, the management reserves all rights clause. Silver sevens, formerly terrible's, stiffed me on their 10% table games rebate onlosses over 1k the second time I tried to collect it. They had ample reason for them not to want me to play blackjack there based on skill level whether or not I played within the rules.

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On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 6:30 PM CDT richard d wrote:

>I would think anyone that came forward to publicly complain to a governmental agency and is a big VP player would be nervous about a having a high profile. I don't think this will jump to the mainstream press. I would not consider uspoker.com on the same level as the NYT, WSJ or Washington Post. I doubt this story will make it to the Huffington Post.
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>--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@> wrote:
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>> --- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vp_wiz" <harry.porter@> wrote:
>> >
>> > had imagined that Mickey's ego was sufficiently intact that he wouldn't have come forward with a "lookee what I came up with" post)
>> >
>> >
>> I only posted it here after it became public information vis a vis WoV. But I do admit to some vanity here. I haven't been in the types of casinos you guys play for almost 7 years. Everything is totally different here. But I was extremely confident that, with hundreds of different kinds of games available these days, someone would find a way to beat the cardreaders at Revel. And I was right. Whether they get the rebates is another question.
>>
>> http://www.uspoker.com/blog/players-accuse-revel-of-not-honoring-100000-loss-rebate-promotion/4647/
>>
>> We'll see if the bigger news outlets pick up on the story.
>>
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