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Revel-ation

#1

My friend who just returned home to LV from this did not have such a confusing experience. He did plan on spending Aug. thru early Dec. at a relative's house around 30 miles from AC, that along with the round trip flight equaled a fair amount of expenses. But, prior to travelling there he studied the rules and called to verify if there were any last minute changes, then before betting he asked two casino management suits exactly what the rules were--and he received clear & courteous answers.

All this confusion we're reading about continues to flow from undocumented sources, with no basis in fact. How is it one professional player from LV knows how to approach this properly in order to protect himself, and all these supposed others just walked in and played without understanding the rules? Nothing was hidden, nothing was changed after the 1st, and if you played the games fairly (& even beat them out of $8k in this guy's case) no one bothered or even cared about you.

As for the Jersey media, it appears there's really nothing to report. They're probably being entertained by all the assertions flying thru some of these sites. And if Gaming had even one complaint that was valid, we'd have seen that by now.

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----- Reply message -----
From: "MHS" <mspevack@optonline.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Revel-ation
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 8:16 am
Don't be so quick to mock the situation, one that both the news media

and the authorities have shamefully ignored for two weeks. People made

serious plans, some involving significant sums of money, based on the

faulty and deficient details from Revel, and clearly no one has stepped

up to clarify anything about this promotion.

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#2

If you believe the nonsense you asserted on a sample size of one, then take the bet. It's free money.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "rob.singer1111@yahoo.com" <rob.singer1111@...> wrote:

My friend who just returned home to LV from this did not have such a confusing experience. He did plan on spending Aug. thru early Dec. at a relative's house around 30 miles from AC, that along with the round trip flight equaled a fair amount of expenses. But, prior to travelling there he studied the rules and called to verify if there were any last minute changes, then before betting he asked two casino management suits exactly what the rules were--and he received clear & courteous answers.

All this confusion we're reading about continues to flow from undocumented sources, with no basis in fact. How is it one professional player from LV knows how to approach this properly in order to protect himself, and all these supposed others just walked in and played without understanding the rules? Nothing was hidden, nothing was changed after the 1st, and if you played the games fairly (& even beat them out of $8k in this guy's case) no one bothered or even cared about you.

As for the Jersey media, it appears there's really nothing to report. They're probably being entertained by all the assertions flying thru some of these sites. And if Gaming had even one complaint that was valid, we'd have seen that by now.

----- Reply message -----
From: "MHS" <mspevack@...>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [vpFREE] Revel-ation
Date: Thu, Jul 11, 2013 8:16 am
Don't be so quick to mock the situation, one that both the news media

and the authorities have shamefully ignored for two weeks. People made

serious plans, some involving significant sums of money, based on the

faulty and deficient details from Revel, and clearly no one has stepped

up to clarify anything about this promotion.

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#3

At this point I personally don't think that anyone who manipulates the card at Revel is going to get paid. Ultimate X got busted out. If there are any more games at Revel that can thwart the cardreader then they will get busted out too. It's just to easy to catch a card manipulator. I know of at least two more video poker games that will thwart the modern day card readers.

Montana has a lot of oddball video poker games that I had never seen before I got here. So I had to analyze them all to see if I could find an advantage. About 6 years ago I analyzed a game called Triple Ace Poker. It's an Aces or Better game with the gimmick that if your final hands contains three Aces or more, the entire payscale is multiplied for the next 8 games. And 3.2 is the average multiplier. I put the game at 97%. The payback of the main game was 79% and the multiplied games represented 18%.

I did a hypothetical on "what if this game were at Revel?" On a $400,000 wager you would have a theoretical loss of $12,000, but by pulling the card in the multiplied games you would theoretically show a loss of $84,000.

I doubt seriously that Triple Ace Poker can be found at Revel. But the one game I think might be there is the one called Flush Fever on some machines, Hot Flush on other machines, and Flush Bonus on still other machines. I know that many of you know this game. When you make a flush, in the next 7 games you get paid even money for every card of the suit you made the flush in. Bob, go ahead and call Revel and give them the word. LMAO!

#4

You would have pull the card and cash out to accomplish this deception in any casino I'm familiar with. A flush fever type game goes immediately to the bonus rounds making a card pull worthless for hiding win/loss.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

At this point I personally don't think that anyone who manipulates the card at Revel is going to get paid. Ultimate X got busted out. If there are any more games at Revel that can thwart the cardreader then they will get busted out too. It's just to easy to catch a card manipulator. I know of at least two more video poker games that will thwart the modern day card readers.

Montana has a lot of oddball video poker games that I had never seen before I got here. So I had to analyze them all to see if I could find an advantage. About 6 years ago I analyzed a game called Triple Ace Poker. It's an Aces or Better game with the gimmick that if your final hands contains three Aces or more, the entire payscale is multiplied for the next 8 games. And 3.2 is the average multiplier. I put the game at 97%. The payback of the main game was 79% and the multiplied games represented 18%.

I did a hypothetical on "what if this game were at Revel?" On a $400,000 wager you would have a theoretical loss of $12,000, but by pulling the card in the multiplied games you would theoretically show a loss of $84,000.

I doubt seriously that Triple Ace Poker can be found at Revel. But the one game I think might be there is the one called Flush Fever on some machines, Hot Flush on other machines, and Flush Bonus on still other machines. I know that many of you know this game. When you make a flush, in the next 7 games you get paid even money for every card of the suit you made the flush in. Bob, go ahead and call Revel and give them the word. LMAO!

#5

Don't give up your day job.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Don parks" <donparks21@...> wrote:

You would have pull the card and cash out to accomplish this deception in any casino I'm familiar with. A flush fever type game goes immediately to the bonus rounds making a card pull worthless for hiding win/loss.

#6

On GWAE the benefit of card pulling was ONLY 10k on average in 10 hrs and not worth it. It is funny how the same information gets processed by different people

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Don parks" <donparks21@> wrote:
>
> You would have pull the card and cash out to accomplish this deception in any casino I'm familiar with. A flush fever type game goes immediately to the bonus rounds making a card pull worthless for hiding win/loss.
>
Don't give up your day job.

#7

Ok please tell this idiot how it's done, I'm just curious. No it is not my day job, just looking for correction from you or anyone else. Sorry for the misinformation!

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mickey" <mickeycrimm@...> wrote:

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Don parks" <donparks21@> wrote:
>
> You would have pull the card and cash out to accomplish this deception in any casino I'm familiar with. A flush fever type game goes immediately to the bonus rounds making a card pull worthless for hiding win/loss.
>
Don't give up your day job.

#8

Richard wrote: On GWAE the benefit of card pulling was ONLY 10k on average in 10 hrs
and not worth it. It is funny how the same information gets processed by
different people

You're correct. The $1,000 per hour estimate came from Richard and I didn't pursue it on the air. Part of his conclusion was based on "you should KNOW you're going to be kicked out" if you do this. It's easier to know after the fact that your activity would be frowned upon by the casino, but for me at least being kicked out for this was easily predictable. Bob Nersesian, on this subject, didn't think this activity was illegal.

Clearly, $1,000 per hour split between two people is quite enough for most gamblers, which I think was the point Richard was trying to make.

If you were one of the Ultimate X players who were removed and may wish to contact an attorney who believes what you were doing should have been allowed, I've heard that New Jersey only allows out-of-state counsel to work on a maximum of two cases at a time --- and Nersesian already has two NJ clients. The "maximum of two" rule is new to me and I could be wrong.

Bob

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#9

I got out of it that he thought it was greedy to do it on top of a good offer. To me once the $25 vp and high denom slots were out this was the next best play that I saw. I would not do it. If I came out there and my two other plans were dried up I might try it if I did not have a day job.
One or two of these casinos need to go under to strengthen the rest. Penn gaming buying the Shitboat will help a bit but there are not enough fairygodmothers to go around. Most of these places need to reinvest on rooms and the gaming floor and transportation not chase the fickle.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dancer <bobdancervp@...> wrote:

Richard wrote: On GWAE the benefit of card pulling was ONLY 10k on average in 10 hrs
and not worth it. It is funny how the same information gets processed by
different people

You're correct. The $1,000 per hour estimate came from Richard and I didn't pursue it on the air. Part of his conclusion was based on "you should KNOW you're going to be kicked out" if you do this. It's easier to know after the fact that your activity would be frowned upon by the casino, but for me at least being kicked out for this was easily predictable. Bob Nersesian, on this subject, didn't think this activity was illegal.

Clearly, $1,000 per hour split between two people is quite enough for most gamblers, which I think was the point Richard was trying to make.

If you were one of the Ultimate X players who were removed and may wish to contact an attorney who believes what you were doing should have been allowed, I've heard that New Jersey only allows out-of-state counsel to work on a maximum of two cases at a time --- and Nersesian already has two NJ clients. The "maximum of two" rule is new to me and I could be wrong.

Bob