My two cents....
The discussion of the dilemmas in figuring W/L , increases in Medicare premiums, combined with the dwindling good playing opportunities is making me seriously think of moving to a low house edge table game.
Larry F.
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Larry,
If it weren't for the pleasure that my wife and I get from playing endless hours of video poker side by side, I would wholly concur.
When and if 99% plus VP opportunities disappear from the scene, we will both bid the casinos a fond farewell.
It's been a most enjoyable run, but we're tiring of the downward spiral in good VP gaming opportunities.
We used to go to Nevada from Florida at least once a month, now we're down to about once a quarter.
We're already considering scaling back to twice a year.
Sad, but that's the reality of it.
Jim
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On Jan 5, 2015, at 12:19 PM, lfcmja@verizon.net [vpFREE] <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
My two cents....
The discussion of the dilemmas in figuring W/L , increases in Medicare premiums, combined with the dwindling good playing opportunities is making me seriously think of moving to a low house edge table game.
Larry F.
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Depending on where you live, Canada is an option. Years ago a friend hit $4000 Jackpot and no paperwork. The attendant said Canada figures you paid income tax on it before it's spent. That was long time ago. Maybe it's changed? I don't think vp was any good except for pick 'em.
Good point!!
Cheers......Jeep
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I actually witnessed a lady hit 8 grand on paper keno. The same thing was said. After looking into things, she said they don't file on it in Canada. This was a few years ago , so maybe rules have changed. Not sure, but we all said we were envious..
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Jim
In addition, the places aren't fun anymore. Less comps, entertainment, promotions, good games and everything else. Used to be employees interacted with us customers. Now our needs are filled with a robot. After interacting with AT&T, Electric Company, Bank and others by punching numbers and letters into phone pad, I am not ready food casino getaway and enjoy a comp issued at kiosk. Slot tournament; print the ticket, wait in line and have fun. The machine reads you score and a "tv" screen notifies you if you won. WOW, how exciting. Back in dat, we met with host and enjoyed the interaction. On way out door, after losing our ass, our host would help us feel sorry for ourselves.
I agree 100% with what you mention. To me it's more than just good vp. Maybe everything is too big. Geeze, I used to pull to back of Stardust and walk in. Frontier pull up front and valet and get car back in 3 minutes. Almost everyplace in town just as easy. When Mirage was built is when everything started down hill. Every place had to be mega resort. I liked it at first. Now big has lost it's charm for me.
Just my opinion. But, bankruptcy court might indicate lots of other people aren't having fun either.
Cheers.......Jeep
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I agree 100% with what you mention. To me it's more than just good vp. Maybe everything is too big. Geeze, I used to pull to back of Stardust and walk in. Frontier pull up front and valet and get car back in 3 minutes. Almost everyplace in town just as easy. When Mirage was built is when everything started down hill. Every place had to be mega resort. I liked it at first. Now big has lost it's charm for me.
Just my opinion. But, bankruptcy court might indicate lots of other people aren't having fun either.
Cheers.......Jeep Jeep, My intention was to respond to you and not the whole group, but I can't figure out an easy way to do it (I'm sure my advanced age is a factor), so I guess the whole group will have to put up with my ramblings. Way before my wife and I met (20 plus years ago) and we began enjoying playing VP side by side, my "go to game" was Texas Holdem and two of my favorite haunts, when I was in town on vacation, were Binon's Horseshoe and the Stardust. Except for the smoke and the occasional obnoxious player, I loved the interaction between players.The dealer usually did an excellent job of keeping things under control. Then my wife and I met and I got her playing VP to allow me to continue to the poker room while she puttered away at low limit VP. Next thing I knew she was getting free room, free food, free cashback, etc. offers in the mail.All I was getting was maybe a free buffet offer IF I asked for it from the dealer after a couple hours of play. Although I fancied myself a decent Texas Holdem player (I had played a good bit in private games in Texas in the early 70's), I was barely winning enough to cover room and food costs.I had bought her a book on optimum play VP for the game she was playing (10/6 or 9/7 JOB at Vegas World) and suddenly she was winning, on average, just as much, PLUS getting all these great offers in the mail. That's when we started playing VP together.It was great to be able to get up and move if a smoker sat down next to us (and there were plenty of 100%+ payback machines to move to).We could quit and take a break after a jackpot without some snide comment from the table, and we started receiving even better offers in the mail. Nowadays, it's a challenge to find a decent paying VP game, and when you do, more often than not the rewards credit buildup is reduced to a ridiculously low amount.Sign of the times, I suppose. I guess I should be happy for what we do have, but I do miss the "good ol' days" We plan on being in Vegas for 5 days starting on January 27th, then North Shore (Incline Village) Tahoe for a week, followed by three nights in Laughlin. We'd love to meet others in the group if your travel plans happen to coincide. Jim
On Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:19 PM, "whitejeeps@yahoo.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Jim
In addition, the places aren't fun anymore. Less comps, entertainment, promotions, good games and everything else. Used to be employees interacted with us customers. Now our needs are filled with a robot. After interacting with AT&T, Electric Company, Bank and others by punching numbers and letters into phone pad, I am not ready food casino getaway and enjoy a comp issued at kiosk. Slot tournament; print the ticket, wait in line and have fun. The machine reads you score and a "tv" screen notifies you if you won. WOW, how exciting. Back in dat, we met with host and enjoyed the interaction. On way out door, after losing our ass, our host would help us feel sorry for ourselves.
I agree 100% with what you mention. To me it's more than just good vp. Maybe everything is too big. Geeze, I used to pull to back of Stardust and walk in. Frontier pull up front and valet and get car back in 3 minutes. Almost everyplace in town just as easy. When Mirage was built is when everything started down hill. Every place had to be mega resort. I liked it at first. Now big has lost it's charm for me.
Just my opinion. But, bankruptcy court might indicate lots of other people aren't having fun either.
Cheers.......Jeep
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No reporting in Canada, we play Caesars Windsor a lot since we have a house near there. Canada may be messed up in some ways, but they have gambling right, they know you are already loosing after tax dollars so its adding insult to injury to tax just the wins yet again and not allow offset of the losses.
Dave
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It's no surprise that video poker players wish the taxes to run things were from somebody else. EVERYBODY wants others to pay the tax burden. And vices are taxed more heavily than non-vices. And most of the population considers gambling a vice.
If you don't smoke, it's okay that smokers pay more. If you don't drink, it's . . . etc.
Nobody thinks the government is run efficiently, but the money has to come from somewhere.
Even the people on this site mostly believe that if somebody makes their living gambling and is successful, that person should pay taxes like other people do in this country. The people here tend to define it so THEY don't have to pay --- perhaps "recreational gamblers" shouldn't have to pay --- or some such.
Overall, I don't like paying taxes on gambling wins, but I do pay them and I'm very happy to live in the US.
Bob
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Amen! Alternative to not paying taxes is not making enough money. Again and again, the people with the most money always seem to want more.
On Friday, January 16, 2015 10:48 AM, "Bob Dancer bobdancervp@hotmail.com [vpFREE]" <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
It's no surprise that video poker players wish the taxes to run things were from somebody else. EVERYBODY wants others to pay the tax burden. And vices are taxed more heavily than non-vices. And most of the population considers gambling a vice.
If you don't smoke, it's okay that smokers pay more. If you don't drink, it's . . . etc.
Nobody thinks the government is run efficiently, but the money has to come from somewhere.
Even the people on this site mostly believe that if somebody makes their living gambling and is successful, that person should pay taxes like other people do in this country. The people here tend to define it so THEY don't have to pay --- perhaps "recreational gamblers" shouldn't have to pay --- or some such.
Overall, I don't like paying taxes on gambling wins, but I do pay them and I'm very happy to live in the US.
Bob
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Wow!
Finally someone who remembers. I based out of Frontier usually. I always liked LVH and some time I would
stay couple nites at different places, because you had to stay in hotel to get promo. One stay I got rooms for two hotels because I was staying short time. I'd go to room & mess up blankets to looked stayed in. Turns out Stardust was second room and they put me in suit and I didn't even know. Of course I moved my clothes from LVH to Stardust. For long while it was suit all the way. My new home base.
Gotta go now. I am going to post back later with a couple questions
Cheers Jeep
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Clearly, some missed the operative phrase here - "after tax dollars". Since you've already paid taxes on the dollars in your paycheck, paying another tax (W2G) after you have used those same dollars for entertainment is punitive. Like if you went to play golf and had to pay a tax on the entertainment (and maybe another on the exercise!). For those who make their living playing, it's another subject entirely.
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