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Reply To Paladin regarding "Four of a KInd Frenzy"

Please forgive me if a similar message to this also appears. I sent one
  off early this morning, and it has not yet shown up on vpFREE. I can only assume that it has disappeared into the Yahoo! Black Hole, never to be seen again. So, I am trying once again, this time from my private mailbox.
   
  Paladin wrote in response to my message to Harry, which is appended at the bottom of this post.

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In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"wrote:

  >>>>>>>That's not very nice (And moderator, what happened to our "be nice or else" policy?).
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  Please do forgive me, Paladin. Neither the content nor the tenor of your previous posts gave me an indication that you were so sensitive. Should we have need of any discourse in the future, I will endeavor not offend your sensibilities again!
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  >>>>>>>>>I converse with players of all denoms.
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  Yes, I have noticed this in your more recent postings. This is merely coincidental, I'm certain, with your establishment of a website, on which it is possible for list members to engage in playing gambling games.
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  >>>>>>>>>>The problem I have is when people get a really valuable piece of information and don't understand that sometimes sharing that information vastly accelerates its fungibility. I don't mean to condescend, but maybe if
you were in my shoes, and knew what I knew, you'd see it more my way.

  Actually, I quite agree with the above premise. I see no benefit and some potential harm in advertising unusually juicy plays. There is no way to control the greedy among us who are all too happy to descend in droves, and burn out such plays.
   
  BTW, I understand your position on this better than you might think. I have some very good friends who are successful and dedicated AP's. They have been patient and kind in explaining to me the fragile nature and the slim edge, that is available to them. But that's NOT what were discussing, is it?
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  >>>>>>>>>Harry's second thought was more in line. You'd be surprised who'd line up for a 4% play at quarters (I was). That's $50 an hour with little
risk. A much, much better play than $1 FPDW with .5% cb, which is also
$50 an hour for most people.

  Exactly my thoughts. Therefore I don't understand the purpose of your message which states: "I wouldn't call 4% at quarters good".
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Quarter players are in a different universe, and they really don't

affect the casino's bottom line. Well, not usually (LOL). Quarter players who out plays at higher levels I have no use for, such as I have no use for writers who sometimes don't realize their actual, as opposed to intended audience.
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  I agree that quarter players should mind their own own business and not out plays at higher denoms. There is a certain "meanness" in doing this, that I truly don't understand.
   
  I have absolutely no idea who or what you are referring in your comment about writers and their "intended audiences." Do you care to elucidate further?

What you say is true about a play being good if it only benefits me. Well, almost.

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  See, I KNEW that we could agree about something! ( - :
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  >>>>>>>>>>......Hey, at least I'm in the group and not one of maybe
three dozen pros who cull this board looking for stuff they can burn
down personally. Maybe you should address your complaints to them.
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  Well I certainly would chastise them, if I only knew who they were. Since
  they only lurk and never post, how would I find their addresses to mete out
  the appropriate tongue lashing?
   
  BTW, I don't recall "addressing a complaint" to you at all. I was responding to a message, posted by Harry, about an earlier post that you had made.
   
  Again, if you were offended, I do apologize.
   
  ~Babe~

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "jackessiebabe" wrote:
   
  Harry, most probably he meant exactly what he said. I believe a play is only good to Paladin if it personally benefits HIM. Since I doubt that he ever plays at the .25c denom. (excepting possibly 100 play) a 4% advantage at quarters would only cause the casino to be infested with annoying fleas.
~B.

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   >>>>>>>>>>Quarter players are in a different universe, and they

really don't > affect the casino's bottom line. Well, not usually
(LOL). Quarter players who out plays at higher levels I have no use
for, such as I have no use for writers who sometimes don't realize
their actual, as opposed to intended audience.

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  I agree that quarter players should mind their own own business

and not out plays at higher denoms. There is a certain "meanness" in
doing this, that I truly don't understand.

Could someone PLEASE explain to me for the need for a person to be so
mean spirited?

In my experience it's usually accidental, and frequently has a lot to
do with lack of awareness of how this business works. Casinos are
businesses, not charities. It's really quite that simple.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasdude55" <tstoterau@...> wrote:

> >>>>>>>>>>Quarter players are in a different universe, and they
really don't > affect the casino's bottom line. Well, not usually
(LOL). Quarter players who out plays at higher levels I have no use
for, such as I have no use for writers who sometimes don't realize
their actual, as opposed to intended audience.
> ==================================================
> I agree that quarter players should mind their own own business
and not out plays at higher denoms. There is a certain "meanness" in
doing this, that I truly don't understand.

Could someone PLEASE explain to me for the need for a person to be so
mean spirited?

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"
<paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

In my experience it's usually accidental, and frequently has a lot

to do with lack of awareness of how this business works. Casinos are
businesses, not charities. It's really quite that simple.

This is intriguing.

If Casinos are regular businesses, and knowing everything they know
about the game, install a bank of machines that $5 players find
extremely profitable, how is it mean for someone to announce their
existence, and thus hurt your chances at profiting from the machines
while they last?

This makes sense only if the Casino and a set of high stakes players
are in collusion, and a Casino manager tips off some of his friends
to come and play the machines, and give him a cut. There may be a
host of gambling violations in this process.

I am just trying to understand the situation; not insinuating
anything.

An analogous situation would be if a book store had some very rare
editions on a deep discount sale, but only tips off select people of
the information. Is it?

If I went into the store to buy Video Poker for Quarter Players, and
stumbled on this information, which for me has no use, why should I
not tell anybody about it?

Finally, I find the following interesting:

SUNSHINE POLICY: ALL of the better video poker games that are known
to the Administrator will be shared by him with the vpFREE membership.

Repeating a post from yesterday. I frankly expected either Paladin or
the Administrator to respond. Just in case it got lost among all the
Countdown posts, I post again.

--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "paladingamingllc"
<paladingamingllc@...> wrote:

In my experience it's usually accidental, and frequently has a lot

to do with lack of awareness of how this business works. Casinos are
businesses, not charities. It's really quite that simple.

This is intriguing.

If Casinos are regular businesses, and knowing everything they know
about the game, install a bank of machines that $5 players find
extremely profitable, how is it mean for someone to announce their
existence, and thus hurt your chances at profiting from the machines
while they last?

This makes sense only if the Casino and a set of high stakes players
are in collusion, and a Casino manager tips off some of his friends
to come and play the machines, and give him a cut. There may be a
host of gambling violations in this process.

I am just trying to understand the situation; not insinuating
anything.

An analogous situation would be if a book store had some very rare
editions on a deep discount sale, but only tips off select people of
the information. Is it?

If I went into the store to buy Video Poker for Quarter Players, and
stumbled on this information, which for me has no use, why should I
not tell anybody about it?

Finally, I find the following interesting:

SUNSHINE POLICY: ALL of the better video poker games that are known
to the Administrator will be shared by him with the vpFREE membership.

<<If Casinos are regular businesses, and knowing everything they know about
the game, install a bank of machines that $5 players find extremely
profitable, how is it mean for someone to announce their existence, and thus
hurt your chances at profiting from the machines while they last?>>

If it was a matter of simply sharing the play with the fellow players on
this list, it wouldn't be mean at all. However, posting a valuable play like
that inevitably kills it quickly, either because of casino lurkers on this
list or because of the swarm of new players who will immediately descend
upon it, creating attention in the casino. There is the thought that those
who have the diligence to scout and discover these plays ought to get the
benefit of the discovery.

Cogno

on this list, it wouldn't be mean at all. However, posting a valuable
play like that inevitably kills it quickly, either because of casino
lurkers on this list or because of the swarm of new players who will
immediately descend upon it, creating attention in the casino. There is
the thought that those who have the diligence to scout and discover
these plays ought to get the benefit of the discovery.

IMHO, this has the potential of casino employees and hosts playing
favorites with customers; even soliciting bribes in the process.

When is it a tip and when is it a bribe (and when does it rise to the
attention of the Casino Control Commission), for a casino employee to
offer information to one customer, when it is not available for all? Is
$5 a tip, $100 bribe, and a 10% cut of the proceeds criminal?

If the Casino made an announcement that there are five FPDW machines
scattered throught the casino, and let the customers find them, that is
acceptable.

If the Casino arranged it so that an Ugly Deuces Wild machine suddenly
becomes FPDW at random intervals, for the benefit of the customers
playing that machine, that is acceptable.

But if the Slot Host could effect that change "for consideration" from
a customer, that would be not kosher.

Whatever a customer can find by diligently scouting, is already known
information to the casino management. Atempting to keep it under wraps
is futile, invites abuse by the employees.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Cogno Scienti" <cognoscienti@...> wrote:

If it was a matter of simply sharing the play with the fellow players