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Hi everyone. I'll be at the Reno Hilton this Friday-Sunday. I'll have
4 friends with me, & one reason I'm going to the Hilton is that El
Dorado, Silver Legacy, & Atlantis were good about offering one room
comped or casino rate, but Hilton is the only place that offered 2
discounted rooms upfront.

Also, I'll likely be playing at Las Vegas Hilton & Ceasars Atlantic
City during the coming year, & maybe my play this weekend in Reno
will help me when trying to get a deal at the other Park Place
properties.

I called up the Reno Hilton host, whose name is June. I'd been to
Reno Hilton previously, but only through mailed offers. This is my
first time setting up a visit with a host. June arranged for 2 rooms
at $60/night/room. My plan is to play many hours of quarter Deuces
Wild, plus some 4- or 5-play quarter Jacks-or-Better in the high
limit room, then check with June again on Sunday to see if I've
played enough to get either/both rooms comped.

My main question is this. I'd also received a mailed offer from Reno
Hilton that offered up to two rooms at a $50 rate for those nights.
But I figured I'm better off working through June, because even
though the initial rate is higher, I've heard that making
arrangements through a host makes it easier to get comps at the end,
as opposed to using the mailed offer from the marketting dept.

Is this true? I'm no novice at this game, but for years I've been
mostly using mailed offers, so I'm not so sure how or if things
differ with the host system. If anyone has experience working with
June or the Reno Hilton system, I'd be grateful for advice.

Stuart (RandomStu)
sresnick2@comcast.net
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/mypage.htm

I can't speak of the Reno Hilton comp/host system but here's how it
works for me at Silver Legacy and why I like it:

1. I've worked at building up a relationship with my host. In the
beginning, not everything was comped at the end (usually meals), but
always the room. The reason is that my play level didn't justify
the FB part of RFB (room food beverage). Now that I've been
visiting about 6 times a year, I've gotten into a groove as to my
level of play and what will and won't be comped. I can go to any of
the bars and sign drinks (top shelf and premium wines) to my room.

See about getting a VIP pass from your host - this may allow you to
avoid waiting in lines for buffets etc.

FYI - tips are never comped. I just find it easier to leave the tip
on the bill when I sign it to the room. My host will later bill me
on my credit card for the tip.

Also, I always bring my host a small gift - nothing expensive but a
small gesture of thanks such as a box of candy or something from
where I live that I know is hard to get in Reno. I don't see this
as a "bribe" per se, but just a nice gesture - the casino
appreciates my business (esp. since there are other venues out there)
and I appreciate that fact that my host will handle show tickets and
dinner reservations for me.

2. I like the host system in that it handles all the "details" on
the back end. There are no comp coupons or certificates. When I go
to a restaurant, the maitre d' doesn't come over and say "you have
$____ in comps towards your meal" so everyone else can hear it. I
settle up with my host once I return home. I like to be low key
about my level of play and my level of comps. I know I could make a
big deal of it if I wanted to, but I don't feel comfortable doing
that.

3. The first night comp offers you got from the other casinos might
be to get you to try their casino. They are checking you out (level
of play, types of play, etc.) as much as you are checking them out.
It might be worth it to try one of them to see how they compare to
the Hilton. I know that Circus Circus is a Mandalay Group property
and their slot club will earn you points at other resorts (Luxor,
Mandalay, Circus Circus all in Las Vegas) but the Hilton's club
might only be good there.

Good luck and let us know how you make out at the Hilton!

Hey Stu-
  I've figured out hosts a bit too - here's my two cents:

Think of your host as your VP/Casino "Agent" who you send into battle with
the Hotel Front desk. Your agent represents you and your profit potential to
"the property" and your agent is successful when you pay way less or nothing
for room & food (& beverages). Your Casino agent loves to get you freebies
from the hotel. He likes to see that you cycle a lot thru the machines in return.

In your write-up, your host does NOT get an attaboy from the hotel for
charging you $10 more for your room. Tell your host you have a mail offer for
$50, the Host will call the Hotel to arrange the lower rate. MOST places will
pre-Comp you the first night without much pressure. Then they check your
play day-by-day and see what you are "worth" for the next days comps. Silver
Legacy in Reno spells it out (e.g. $10,000 coin-in daily average = free
regular room), but the Host can use his/her "discretion" to loosen up the
requirements.

And what about these slob friends of yours? Can't they stand on their own two
feet? I played Tour Master for my "helpless" pals- ONCE! Your friends are
taking advantage of you, Stu! Show them how to press the send button with
e-mail or how to dial the phone, coach them what to say to the Host. Singles
and couples should all get their own room! Comps should come easy, and if
not, the reduced rates should be satisfactory.

Remember - no sense losing $500 from your pocket gambling in order to get
a $50 "free" room. But if you were gonna spend $500 gambling, and you play
well enough to replay those winnings up to $10K coin-in, may as well grab
that free room, free limo, free food, etc.

If you're flying in - go for the limo Stu! The Host will feel great setting it up for
you - should be no big deal to them. And your friends will think you're a king.

By-the-way, don't downplay your ability to bring friends along into the
"system" - I think the hosts will give you extras unexpectedly if you are the
"ring leader" of your posse'.

  ~cheers
    Mark P.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, sresnick2@c... wrote:

Hi everyone. I'll be at the Reno Hilton this Friday-Sunday. I'll have
4 friends with me, & one reason I'm going to the Hilton is that El
Dorado, Silver Legacy, & Atlantis were good about offering one room
comped or casino rate, but Hilton is the only place that offered 2
discounted rooms upfront.

Also, I'll likely be playing at Las Vegas Hilton & Ceasars Atlantic
City during the coming year, & maybe my play this weekend in Reno
will help me when trying to get a deal at the other Park Place
properties.

I called up the Reno Hilton host, whose name is June. I'd been to
Reno Hilton previously, but only through mailed offers. This is my
first time setting up a visit with a host. June arranged for 2 rooms
at $60/night/room. My plan is to play many hours of quarter Deuces
Wild, plus some 4- or 5-play quarter Jacks-or-Better in the high
limit room, then check with June again on Sunday to see if I've
played enough to get either/both rooms comped.

My main question is this. I'd also received a mailed offer from Reno
Hilton that offered up to two rooms at a $50 rate for those nights.
But I figured I'm better off working through June, because even
though the initial rate is higher, I've heard that making
arrangements through a host makes it easier to get comps at the end,
as opposed to using the mailed offer from the marketting dept.

Is this true? I'm no novice at this game, but for years I've been
mostly using mailed offers, so I'm not so sure how or if things
differ with the host system. If anyone has experience working with
June or the Reno Hilton system, I'd be grateful for advice.

Stuart (RandomStu)
sresnick2@c...
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/mypage.htm

Thanks again to everyone who emailed me with info on using a host at
the Reno Hilton.

I arrived on Friday by 8pm or so. Was with 3 friends, & had called up
our host "June" a few weeks back, who set me up with 2 rooms for 2
nights at casino rate ($60/room/night). It was my first time working
through a Reno Hilton host.

The quarter FPDW machines are still in a bank of 10 near Johnny
Rockets. There were always seats available; usually even when all 4
of us were playing at once. Nice comfortable machines, reasonably
fast. No TITO though.

The rest of my play was on the quarter 50-play JOB in the High Limit
room. Both of these machines were working & usually open, though the
one on the right made it a little difficult to pick the exact number
of games to play (the touch-screen didn't always respond so well).

Your comp account balance is shown on the machine when you put your
card in. But you can't really keep track as you play, since it seems
to take some time after you quit each session before your point &
comp are registered.

Playing through Sunday morning, & ended up with $130+ in comps. (You
can now get a PIN for your slot club card, & then use a machine to
get comp slips printed out.) I believe I started with around $50.
Since the comp rate is reported at .33%, this suggests a total coin-
in of about $24K. This is in line with the fact that I ended up with
$60 in cashback (=$24K * .25% cashback rate). Most of this was my own
play, but two of my friends played a bunch of Deuces Wild on my
account.

On Saturday evening, I went to the VIP room to meet June. One of my
friends works for Clif Bar, so we gave June a box of their products.

I talked to June before checking out on Sunday. As she looked at my
play, I asked about coin-in a couple of times, & she kept saying no
no, coin in determined cash back & the comps I got through the
machine, but what she could give me was different, it depended on
losses. She tried explaining how "losses" were calculated, but it
didn't make sense to me.

Anyway, I had indeed lost around $400, & I think the friends playing
on my card had lost an additional $100 or so. June comped one of the
rooms completely, & the other remained at casino rate. I'd thought
maybe I'd get more... I did a bunch of my play shortly before seeing
June, so it's possible that not all my play was visible on her system.

So there was $120 for the uncomped room, plus a little over $100 for
food, a movie, & tax. I had my $130+ comp from the machine; the
friend who played on his own card had built up $30+ in machine comps
through craps play, so between that & the $60 cashback everything was
just about covered.

The play was fun. No royals for any of us, though one friend did hit
quad deuces. I was down over $800, but on the final morning, I was
playing 5-play on the quarter JOB & slowly won back around $100
through getting my share of quads & dealt straights & flushes. 5-play
quarters is pushing the limits of my usual level of play, but when it
got very close to check-out time, I switched to 10-play just to "take
a shot," & quickly got dealt quads for $312.50.

On the way out of town, we stopped at Silver Legacy so I could use
my "$125 for 300 points ($6000 coin-in)" mailed offer. Played the
100-play nickel JOB near High Limit room. The machines are now TITO,
which is a big improvement. Lost $175 over the course of the session
(no Royals, but dealt quads once), for -$50 net. At the Club desk
they comped all 4 of us to the buffet, in line with SL's reported
generosity with food comps, though I may have already had money in
the SL comp account from a previous trip.

Stuart (RandomStu)
sresnick2@comcast.net
http://home.comcast.net/~sresnick2/mypage.htm

your card in. But you can't really keep track as you play, since it
seems to take some time after you quit each session before your
point & comp are registered.

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--- In vpFREE_Reno@yahoogroups.com, sresnick2@c... wrote:

Your comp account balance is shown on the machine when you put

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The Reno Hilton Tracking system is always "one card pull" behind,
don't know why that's the case, and I am hoping they'll fix this
annoyance when they upgrade to their cross property "Connection
Card" system.
But for now, to check your current account balance: pull out your
card, then put your card back in and play one hand, pull out your
card again. Now when you put your card back in, the infromation
displayed on the card reader is your current account balance _minus_
the hand that you just played. Wish I can explain this a little less
clumpsily. Hope this helps.

L. Wluiki