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Reflecting On A Recent Visit To South Point - LONG! Some XVP

Recent trip report writtten by a vpFREE Member and posted here
with their permission:

The following are my highly subjective thoughts of a first stay
at South Point.

Arriving At The South Point:

My first impression of the casino floor, was of a large,
rectangular, brightly lit Video Poker factory. As I Dragged my
wheelie to the Front Desk, I stopped to look at games and pay
tables on various machines. I was gratified to find 16/10 NSUD
in every denom. on most boxes. I knew immediately, that I would
enjoy staying and playing here.

There was no one else waiting to check-in when I reached the
Front Desk. Initially, I had been slightly disappointed at the
the lack of a VIP check-in area, as I have found this type of
facility to be a great, time saving convenience in other casinos.
At this time it was not at all necessary.

An efficient desk clerk inquired as to my room type preference,
found a suitable room, and gave me the key. When I inquired
where the card club was located, so I could have player cards
printed, he volunteered to make the cards for me. He then
pointed me towards the hotel elevators. Ten minutes after
arriving, I was in my room.

The Hotel Room:

Upon entering the room, which was three doors from the elevator,
as requested, I was pleased to note the spacious size, the light
streaming through the wall-to-wall draperies, and the general
brightness and cleanliness of the accommodation.

Peeking through the drapes, I was gazing down on a lovely pool
area, with tasteful and abundant landscaping.

The room was accessed through an entrance hall, which contained a
gold framed, full length mirror.

A nice bathroom was comprised of a good sized, single sink vanity
area, and a separate bath and toilet room, containing a phone
extension. All of the usual toiletry amenities were there, in
addition to an adequate supply of very ordinary towels, which I
found to be thin and lacking in softness. Also missing was a
bathroom TV and make-up mirror. The bathroom lighting was
excellent.

The bedroom area contained two Queen beds (as requested) with a
night table and lamp between them. Additionally, there were
excellent overhead reading lights, over each bed, which could be
operated while remaining in bed. A large flat screen, HD TV set
faced the bed, over a wide dresser. There was also a desk and
chair, with a wifi port, two lounge chairs flanking an occasional
table, and a small round table and two chairs for snacking in the
room. The furniture was fresh looking and in subdued good taste,
as were the draperies and bed linens. The desert colors palette
was mostly done in beiges, golds and pale orange. But the room
really shone in the number of light fixtures provided. (Forgive
the word play, please!) I counted NINE in the bedroom. Very
desirable and unusual, particularly in a mid-range priced hotel.

Using my arbitrary room rating system for "locals casinos", I
would assign the South Point rooms 4 points on a scale of 1 to 5.
For comparison purposes, I would rate the M rooms a 5, and the
old Silverton rooms, prior to remodeling, a 3.

The Card Club:

At the card club I perused a brochure which explained the club
rules.

I learned that one point was earned for each dollar wagered,
regardless of the type of machine. VP play earned at the same
rate as Reel or Video Slot play. This unusual feature both
surprised and pleased me.

The points were valued, at the same rate of redemption, for use
as casino comps, free play or cash back, at the rate of 4,000
points = $12.00 in cash back.

Free Play could be accessed without leaving a machine, by
enabling the "Bonus Credits" feature in the card reader. Handy
(I guess) for those who lose all the money in their wallet and
wish to continue playing.

I knew ahead of time that Michael Gaughan, owner of SP, does not
believe in "elite tiers" for bigger players. Each player is in
the same tier and is issued the same card, whether they play
through $100 or $10,000 per day. Of course, comps, mailers and
other offers are still based on coin-in, theo etc. From the
point of view of the casino, I disagree with the concept. I
believe that when management recognizes the loyalty of a heavier
player by granting additional perks, that it encourages the
player to continue play that is commensurate with retaining elite
status. I also believe that most players appreciate being
recognized as valued patrons.

The card club promotion on that Tuesday was a card swipe (after a
small minimum amount of play) for various prizes. My card swipe
resulted in an additional 500 points being added to my daily
total. The second time that I swiped, on the following Thursday,
I scored a $10.00 off coupon, good in any SP restaurant.

On a less pleasant note, I was not happy with a conversation I
had with a card club employee and her supervisor, regarding
approximately 4,000 points which mysteriously disappeared from my
account.

I discovered the missing points some time after playing next to
two friends, one of whom glanced at my card reader and commented
that I had accumulated over 12,000 points on my first day in Las
Vegas. An hour later, after leaving that machine, and putting
the player's card in a different machine, only 8.000 points were
recorded. When I called this to attention of the card club booth
person, after waiting in a LONG line, I was informed that "points
can't disappear". Asking for her supervisor netted me the
explanation, that "I had possibly read the total wrong
initially."

When I related this experience to my two friends who had also
seen the 12,000 points registered, they verified that I was not
delusional. The card reader had said exactly that.

Because my host was extremely gracious to me, I choose to drop
the matter, and not mention it to her. I didn't believe that
pursuing the equivilant of $12.00 in cash back, was a good
exchange for possibly alienating a very good host.

The VP Inventory:

South Point has an excellent selection of VP. Most games were
offered in denoms. from .25c to $2.00. Though none of the base
games is over 100% EV, most are full pay. As of Mid-January,
they include:

NSUD, BDLX, DDB, Single-line & Multi-play JOB & BP plus MS.
STP, QQ & SP. However, the best Joker game that I could find was
a bank of .25c single-line 5/7/18/4700 boxes.

The Restaurants:

The only South Point restaurants which I tried were the Deli, The
Buffet. The Coffee Shop and Primarily Prime Rib.

In the Deli I ordered a Hot Dog. It was a NY style, colorless
(and in this case flavorless) anemic looking sausage. I took a
few bites, just enough to stop my tummy rumbles, and discarded
the rest. I also wrote off the Deli for any future snacking.
Though this was not a fair sampling of their menu items, I did
not give them another chance

The SP brunch was good, though my guests and I all agreed that M
had no need to worry about the competition. We were dismayed
that only non-diary creamer was served with coffee. We overcame
this by putting whipped cream from the buffet, in our coffee.
YUM! Even better than half and half.

The weekend brunch buffet had all the usual ingredients, in
addition to really good smoked salmon and a variety of sushi and
sashimi.

The food was fresh looking, of good quality, and offered a fairly
wide selection of brunch items. It was priced fairly at $13.95.
I considered it to be very satisfactory and awarded 4 of my
arbitrary 5 stars.

I sampled both breakfast and dinner in the coffee shop, where
they had real half and half and not the awful non-diary creamer
stuff.

For breakfast I ordered my favorite casino breakfast food; a BLT.
South Point

gets very high marks from me for their BLT preparation. LOTS of
really crispy bacon, sliced, ripe, red tomatoes and dark green
lettuce, heaped on toasted white bread, with a little pot of mayo

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on the side. Very good eatin'! An enjoyable morning meal, which, including coffee, was priced under $10.00. At dinner, my friends ordered from the Chinese Menu. They said
that the dishes were well prepared, and tasty. I ordered a
Porterhouse steak, which was flavorful, presented very rare, as
requested, but was also a bit "chewy".

The coffee shop earned 3 1/2 points.

I enjoyed treating some family members to dinner at "Primarily
Prime Rib" Restaurant. 0ne of them had inquired had about
dining at Michael's, but I told him that the only way that was
going to happen was if I received a personal comped invitation
from Mr. Gaughan!

We found the PPR prices to be reasonable, the service pleasant
and the food quite good. Because we dined there on the same day
that we had eaten at the M buffet, we were all lacking much
tummy space. We ordered only one appetizer (Hot spinach and
Cheese Dip $6.95), one large baked potato ($5.95) and three
orders of the South Point Prime Rib, thick cut ($14.95). All the
food was very good. The beef was presented to the table very
rare, as ordered. I awarded PPR 4 out of 5 stars.

Though, IMO, the good features of South Point far outweighed the
bad, I am listing my highly subjective overall opinions about the
casino. Suffice it to say, I intend to return again, which is a
recommendation in itself.

What I LOVED About The South Point:

The SUPER VP inventory, headed by the largest number of 16/10
NSUD games, that I've seen in any casino.

The friendly employees

The spacious, nicely appointed, very clean rooms

The reasonably priced restaurants, offering good food and value

My very gracious host

Being able to track daily coin-in on the card reader

It is only about a 5 minute drive from the M buffet.

What I Disliked About The South Point:

No "elite" tiers in the card club.

No line passes

Long waits at the card club

No VIP check-in

No 1/2 & 1/2 or cream in the buffet

Some "double talk" from card club employees regarding
"disappearing earned points"

The casino was INUDATED with young kids on Friday night. The
crowds and the kid's shrill voices as they raced around the
casino drove me to my room at 7:30pm.

Best review I've ever read! Thanks for going to all that trouble for
is!

Lee

From iPhone

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On Jan 29, 2010, at 8:52 PM, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@cox.net> wrote:

Recent trip report writtten by a vpFREE Member and posted here
with their permission:

The following are my highly subjective thoughts of a first stay
at South Point.

Arriving At The South Point:

My first impression of the casino floor, was of a large,
rectangular, brightly lit Video Poker factory. As I Dragged my
wheelie to the Front Desk, I stopped to look at games and pay
tables on various machines. I was gratified to find 16/10 NSUD
in every denom. on most boxes. I knew immediately, that I would
enjoy staying and playing here.

There was no one else waiting to check-in when I reached the
Front Desk. Initially, I had been slightly disappointed at the
the lack of a VIP check-in area, as I have found this type of
facility to be a great, time saving convenience in other casinos.
At this time it was not at all necessary.

An efficient desk clerk inquired as to my room type preference,
found a suitable room, and gave me the key. When I inquired
where the card club was located, so I could have player cards
printed, he volunteered to make the cards for me. He then
pointed me towards the hotel elevators. Ten minutes after
arriving, I was in my room.

The Hotel Room:

Upon entering the room, which was three doors from the elevator,
as requested, I was pleased to note the spacious size, the light
streaming through the wall-to-wall draperies, and the general
brightness and cleanliness of the accommodation.

Peeking through the drapes, I was gazing down on a lovely pool
area, with tasteful and abundant landscaping.

The room was accessed through an entrance hall, which contained a
gold framed, full length mirror.

A nice bathroom was comprised of a good sized, single sink vanity
area, and a separate bath and toilet room, containing a phone
extension. All of the usual toiletry amenities were there, in
addition to an adequate supply of very ordinary towels, which I
found to be thin and lacking in softness. Also missing was a
bathroom TV and make-up mirror. The bathroom lighting was
excellent.

The bedroom area contained two Queen beds (as requested) with a
night table and lamp between them. Additionally, there were
excellent overhead reading lights, over each bed, which could be
operated while remaining in bed. A large flat screen, HD TV set
faced the bed, over a wide dresser. There was also a desk and
chair, with a wifi port, two lounge chairs flanking an occasional
table, and a small round table and two chairs for snacking in the
room. The furniture was fresh looking and in subdued good taste,
as were the draperies and bed linens. The desert colors palette
was mostly done in beiges, golds and pale orange. But the room
really shone in the number of light fixtures provided. (Forgive
the word play, please!) I counted NINE in the bedroom. Very
desirable and unusual, particularly in a mid-range priced hotel.

Using my arbitrary room rating system for "locals casinos", I
would assign the South Point rooms 4 points on a scale of 1 to 5.
For comparison purposes, I would rate the M rooms a 5, and the
old Silverton rooms, prior to remodeling, a 3.

The Card Club:

At the card club I perused a brochure which explained the club
rules.

I learned that one point was earned for each dollar wagered,
regardless of the type of machine. VP play earned at the same
rate as Reel or Video Slot play. This unusual feature both
surprised and pleased me.

The points were valued, at the same rate of redemption, for use
as casino comps, free play or cash back, at the rate of 4,000
points = $12.00 in cash back.

Free Play could be accessed without leaving a machine, by
enabling the "Bonus Credits" feature in the card reader. Handy
(I guess) for those who lose all the money in their wallet and
wish to continue playing.

I knew ahead of time that Michael Gaughan, owner of SP, does not
believe in "elite tiers" for bigger players. Each player is in
the same tier and is issued the same card, whether they play
through $100 or $10,000 per day. Of course, comps, mailers and
other offers are still based on coin-in, theo etc. From the
point of view of the casino, I disagree with the concept. I
believe that when management recognizes the loyalty of a heavier
player by granting additional perks, that it encourages the
player to continue play that is commensurate with retaining elite
status. I also believe that most players appreciate being
recognized as valued patrons.

The card club promotion on that Tuesday was a card swipe (after a
small minimum amount of play) for various prizes. My card swipe
resulted in an additional 500 points being added to my daily
total. The second time that I swiped, on the following Thursday,
I scored a $10.00 off coupon, good in any SP restaurant.

On a less pleasant note, I was not happy with a conversation I
had with a card club employee and her supervisor, regarding
approximately 4,000 points which mysteriously disappeared from my
account.

I discovered the missing points some time after playing next to
two friends, one of whom glanced at my card reader and commented
that I had accumulated over 12,000 points on my first day in Las
Vegas. An hour later, after leaving that machine, and putting
the player's card in a different machine, only 8.000 points were
recorded. When I called this to attention of the card club booth
person, after waiting in a LONG line, I was informed that "points
can't disappear". Asking for her supervisor netted me the
explanation, that "I had possibly read the total wrong
initially."

When I related this experience to my two friends who had also
seen the 12,000 points registered, they verified that I was not
delusional. The card reader had said exactly that.

Because my host was extremely gracious to me, I choose to drop
the matter, and not mention it to her. I didn't believe that
pursuing the equivilant of $12.00 in cash back, was a good
exchange for possibly alienating a very good host.

The VP Inventory:

South Point has an excellent selection of VP. Most games were
offered in denoms. from .25c to $2.00. Though none of the base
games is over 100% EV, most are full pay. As of Mid-January,
they include:

NSUD, BDLX, DDB, Single-line & Multi-play JOB & BP plus MS.
STP, QQ & SP. However, the best Joker game that I could find was
a bank of .25c single-line 5/7/18/4700 boxes.

The Restaurants:

The only South Point restaurants which I tried were the Deli, The
Buffet. The Coffee Shop and Primarily Prime Rib.

In the Deli I ordered a Hot Dog. It was a NY style, colorless
(and in this case flavorless) anemic looking sausage. I took a
few bites, just enough to stop my tummy rumbles, and discarded
the rest. I also wrote off the Deli for any future snacking.
Though this was not a fair sampling of their menu items, I did
not give them another chance

The SP brunch was good, though my guests and I all agreed that M
had no need to worry about the competition. We were dismayed
that only non-diary creamer was served with coffee. We overcame
this by putting whipped cream from the buffet, in our coffee.
YUM! Even better than half and half.

The weekend brunch buffet had all the usual ingredients, in
addition to really good smoked salmon and a variety of sushi and
sashimi.

The food was fresh looking, of good quality, and offered a fairly
wide selection of brunch items. It was priced fairly at $13.95.
I considered it to be very satisfactory and awarded 4 of my
arbitrary 5 stars.

I sampled both breakfast and dinner in the coffee shop, where
they had real half and half and not the awful non-diary creamer
stuff.

For breakfast I ordered my favorite casino breakfast food; a BLT.
South Point

gets very high marks from me for their BLT preparation. LOTS of
really crispy bacon, sliced, ripe, red tomatoes and dark green
lettuce, heaped on toasted white bread, with a little pot of mayo
on the side. Very good eatin'! An enjoyable morning meal, > which, including coffee, was priced under $10.00. > > At dinner, my friends ordered from the Chinese Menu. They said
that the dishes were well prepared, and tasty. I ordered a
Porterhouse steak, which was flavorful, presented very rare, as
requested, but was also a bit "chewy".

The coffee shop earned 3 1/2 points.

I enjoyed treating some family members to dinner at "Primarily
Prime Rib" Restaurant. 0ne of them had inquired had about
dining at Michael's, but I told him that the only way that was
going to happen was if I received a personal comped invitation
from Mr. Gaughan!

We found the PPR prices to be reasonable, the service pleasant
and the food quite good. Because we dined there on the same day
that we had eaten at the M buffet, we were all lacking much
tummy space. We ordered only one appetizer (Hot spinach and
Cheese Dip $6.95), one large baked potato ($5.95) and three
orders of the South Point Prime Rib, thick cut ($14.95). All the
food was very good. The beef was presented to the table very
rare, as ordered. I awarded PPR 4 out of 5 stars.

Though, IMO, the good features of South Point far outweighed the
bad, I am listing my highly subjective overall opinions about the
casino. Suffice it to say, I intend to return again, which is a
recommendation in itself.

What I LOVED About The South Point:

The SUPER VP inventory, headed by the largest number of 16/10
NSUD games, that I've seen in any casino.

The friendly employees

The spacious, nicely appointed, very clean rooms

The reasonably priced restaurants, offering good food and value

My very gracious host

Being able to track daily coin-in on the card reader

It is only about a 5 minute drive from the M buffet.

What I Disliked About The South Point:

No "elite" tiers in the card club.

No line passes

Long waits at the card club

No VIP check-in

No 1/2 & 1/2 or cream in the buffet

Some "double talk" from card club employees regarding
"disappearing earned points"

The casino was INUDATED with young kids on Friday night. The
crowds and the kid's shrill voices as they raced around the
casino drove me to my room at 7:30pm.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

When you're at SP next time, don't buy a hot dog at the deli. They have a hot dog cart at the sports book and serve them with all the toppings for a unbelievable price of .75c. They are a kosher style Vienna hot dogs.

As far as the deli goes, we used to buy some of their great looking desserts, only to take them home and find them dry and tasteless. But they sure do look good in the case.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpFREE Administrator" <vpfreeadmin@...> wrote:

Recent trip report writtten by a vpFREE Member and posted here
with their permission:

The following are my highly subjective thoughts of a first stay
at South Point.

Arriving At The South Point:

Sorry about your lost slot points at South Point. It has happened to me too. I would advise never playing there if you notice the system is down and does not display your name and point totals when you start play. They will always tell you your points are saved in a backup memory when the system is down, but they definitely have problems with this at South Point. Club employees who have been there any length of time must be aware of the problem, but I sense they have been coached, or brainwashed, to never admit this to customers. To keep lost points to a minimum, I tend to pull and reinsert my slot card more frequently here than at most casinos.

Sorry about your lost slot points at South
Point. It has happened to me too. I would advise never playing there if

you notice the system is down and does not display your name and point
totals when you start play.

As of a few months ago, the points display at SP will no longer display your
banked point balance when you insert your card to begin play. They tell me
that they changed this because there were people that were finding players
cards left in machines and these folks were somehow using the points of
these players. Who knows the real reason. Now, when you begin a session,
you will get the welcome to South Point (and your name) three separate times
and it will then show your points for that day as you play. If you would
like to keep an accurate track of your points without going to the club to
stand in line. Here is the easy button way to do it. When you insert your
card to begin play, click on the direct play button. The system will now
show you the amount of cashback that you have available to download as free
play. Don't worry, you will cancel this in a minute. Let's say it shows
that you have $200 available. If you multiply that X 333.333, and round
off, it will show that you have a banked point balance of 66,667 points. If
you do not want to redeem them for the free play, cancel out. When you are
done with your play for the day, log your session points, remove your card
and give the system a couple minutes to update and reinsert your card and go
back to the direct play screen. Let's say it now shows you have $211
available for download. Your multiplication should now show that you have
70,334 points. Cancel out again, subtract the starting point figure from
the finish figure, and it shows that you have played 3,367 points for the
day, which should match what was on your session screen when you quit.
Thank you corporate America. Where's Tony and Mikey Spilotro when you need
them? And they call this progress!
                Nudge

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From: "vegasvpplayer"
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: FWD: Reflecting On A Recent Visit To South Point

well Nudge, As long as somewhere in the new way a password is asked for - it's a change for the better. Here is how the scammers/silver miners might use your points. If you find a card with say 10,000 points, you go to the giftshop, or someplace where they are lax on checking points/id and cash in 2500 , a number where many people wont really notice they have been scammed ( i.e use all 10,000 and the heat will be on ). You do that a few times a day , and it really helps your silver mining income. Sick - yes, but out there .

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----- Original Message ----- From: "nudge51" <nudge51@cox.net>
To: <vpFREE@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [vpFREE] Re: FWD: Reflecting On A Recent Visit To South Point

From: "vegasvpplayer"
Subject: [vpFREE] Re: FWD: Reflecting On A Recent Visit To South Point

Sorry about your lost slot points at South
Point. It has happened to me too. I would advise never playing there if

you notice the system is down and does not display your name and point
totals when you start play.

As of a few months ago, the points display at SP will no longer display your
banked point balance when you insert your card to begin play. They tell me
that they changed this because there were people that were finding players
cards left in machines and these folks were somehow using the points of
these players. Who knows the real reason. Now, when you begin a session,
you will get the welcome to South Point (and your name) three separate times
and it will then show your points for that day as you play. If you would
like to keep an accurate track of your points without going to the club to
stand in line. Here is the easy button way to do it. When you insert your
card to begin play, click on the direct play button. The system will now
show you the amount of cashback that you have available to download as free
play. Don't worry, you will cancel this in a minute. Let's say it shows
that you have $200 available. If you multiply that X 333.333, and round
off, it will show that you have a banked point balance of 66,667 points. If
you do not want to redeem them for the free play, cancel out. When you are
done with your play for the day, log your session points, remove your card
and give the system a couple minutes to update and reinsert your card and go
back to the direct play screen. Let's say it now shows you have $211
available for download. Your multiplication should now show that you have
70,334 points. Cancel out again, subtract the starting point figure from
the finish figure, and it shows that you have played 3,367 points for the
day, which should match what was on your session screen when you quit.
Thank you corporate America. Where's Tony and Mikey Spilotro when you need
them? And they call this progress!
               Nudge

I've also had slot points disappear at the South Point.
Spent a lot of time with slot club supervisor and then with slot shif manager - a wast of time. Couldn't get them restored. Was told they hadn't existed or they would've been recorded in the computer.

vegasvpplayer - "To keep lost points to a minimum, I tend to pull and reinsert my slot card more frequently here than at most casinos."

Good advice - a necessity at the South Point.

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--- In vpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vegasvpplayer" <vegasvpplayer@...> wrote:

Sorry about your lost slot points at South Point. It has happened to me too. I would advise never playing there if you notice the system is down and does not display your name and point totals when you start play. They will always tell you your points are saved in a backup memory when the system is down, but they definitely have problems with this at South Point. Club employees who have been there any length of time must be aware of the problem, but I sense they have been coached, or brainwashed, to never admit this to customers. To keep lost points to a minimum, I tend to pull and reinsert my slot card more frequently here than at most casinos.

vegasvpplayer - "To keep lost points to a minimum, I tend to pull and reinsert my slot card more frequently here than at most casinos."

yuk yuk, good advice esp when dealt any non hand pays like dealt quads, SF, full house.