Walking through Red Rock I see many progressive VP games. Has anyone
inventoried them and posted them on the Internet? If you know of such
a list, I'd appreciate knowing where it is. I've looked, but so far
haven't found it. VPfree lists the best regular VP games, but no
progressives.
Red Rock Progressives
Unless something's changed since last month, all the decent
PROGRESSIVES at Red Rock are indeed listed in the data base. (I define
decent as a progressive with a base return of about .99 or better).
Walking through Red Rock I see many progressive VP games. Has
anyone
inventoried them and posted them on the Internet? If you know of
such
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a list, I'd appreciate knowing where it is. I've looked, but so far
haven't found it. VPfree lists the best regular VP games, but no
progressives.
VP free only lists limited vp progressives, usually standards like 8/5 BP or 9/6 DDB. That's because the missing ones are too numerous with either unknown payback ( 5-way progressives ) , or poor base ( 10 play dime , 7/5 bonus poker ).
Individual VP analysis can be done by carrying a detailed sheet of base pay, and strategy changes to get there. For example its not enough to know that 7/5 bonus poker is positive at $1850 - you got to know the strategy delta's or expect to lose at least .5% in EV. I've seen players, staring at machines , and reaching for a such a sheet to decide - is it worth it ?
A good trick is to get to know some pro/semi-pro players. While walking around, you see a bunch of them hogging a few machines, playing multiple machines at once, or constantly round-robin playing ONE particular machine in a bank - investigate!
A helpful source of added info can be found at http://videopoker.fws1.com/progressives.htm
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----- Original Message ----- From: "brumar_lv" <brumar_lv@yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2006 1:41 AM
Subject: [vpFREE] Red Rock Progressives
Walking through Red Rock I see many progressive VP games. Has anyone
inventoried them and posted them on the Internet? If you know of such
a list, I'd appreciate knowing where it is. I've looked, but so far
haven't found it. VPfree lists the best regular VP games, but no
progressives.
VP free only lists limited vp progressives, usually standards like
8/5 BP
or 9/6 DDB. That's because the missing ones are too numerous with
either
unknown payback ( 5-way progressives ) , or poor base ( 10 play
dime , 7/5
bonus poker ).
Individual VP analysis can be done by carrying a detailed sheet of
base pay,
and strategy changes to get there. For example its not enough to
know that
7/5 bonus poker is positive at $1850 - you got to know the strategy
delta's
or expect to lose at least .5% in EV. I've seen players, staring at
machines
, and reaching for a such a sheet to decide - is it worth it ?
A good trick is to get to know some pro/semi-pro players. While
walking
around, you see a bunch of them hogging a few machines, playing
multiple
machines at once, or constantly round-robin playing ONE particular
machine
in a bank - investigate!
A helpful source of added info can be found at
http://videopoker.fws1.com/progressives.htm
Thanks for the interesting feedback. I'll try to make a complete
list for Red Rock, but it's going to take some time because there are
so many. I did this several years ago, for the Suncoast entry in the
vpfree data base, but don't know if it's still accurate. There were
only 1 or 2 decent progressives at the Suncoast. The Suncoast, in my
opinion, has too many "dealt Royal" and nickel progressives.
I can prepare accurate tables to deal with multiple progressives,
such as 5-way, but it's time consuming, so prefer to first identify
those with the best reset paytables. My impression is the Red
Rock single (RF) progressives are usually quite low, which suggests a
poor feedrate for most games.
As for strategy issues, my current approach is to set a "goal"
return, based on an hourly earning rate that is worthwhile, and
practice that EV strategy. It just doesn't seem efficient to
practice a reset strategy, and carry the adjustments for a higher
return, since I never play below the goal. EG, the "goal" return is
higher for a quarter versus dollar game, for the identical
payschedule. Is there something I've overlooked with this approach?
Of course, if the EV is way above my "goal" then my practiced
strategy is flawed, but that rarely happens.
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