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Re; Dancer's claim

#1

DELETED on vpFREE and MOVED to FREEvpFREE

Why?? Is there an NPC here?

-MARK M.

I am the author of the deleted vpFree post. I did contact the
administrator and received a reply. It was his/her opinion that it
contained a NPC. I do find that ironic considering the past 6 weeks or
so of posts from BD.We are smart folks who should have access to all
available info then be free to decide for ourselves which approach
suits our own goals. It is my opinion, after reading his many
exchanges, that BD takes great exception to any challenge that he is
THE one & only expert. I feel that his posts over there sometimes
qualify as NPCs in a most flagrant way. See message 2730 if you're
interested in what I was attempting to post on vpFree. I primarily used
his own words which I thought revealed an obvious agenda.
Unfortunately, I used my own words to try and point that out.
LK

#2

Was it specified to you which statement constituted the NPC?
I didn't see it which is what prompted my post.

-MARK M.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lkreels2000" <lkreels@a...>
wrote:

DELETED on vpFREE and MOVED to FREEvpFREE

Why?? Is there an NPC here?

-MARK M.

I am the author of the deleted vpFree post. I did contact the
administrator and received a reply. It was his/her opinion that it
contained a NPC. I do find that ironic considering the past 6

weeks or

so of posts from BD.We are smart folks who should have access to

all

available info then be free to decide for ourselves which approach
suits our own goals. It is my opinion, after reading his many
exchanges, that BD takes great exception to any challenge that he

is

THE one & only expert. I feel that his posts over there sometimes
qualify as NPCs in a most flagrant way. See message 2730 if you're
interested in what I was attempting to post on vpFree. I primarily

used

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his own words which I thought revealed an obvious agenda.
Unfortunately, I used my own words to try and point that out.
LK

#3

Was it specified to you which statement constituted the NPC?
I didn't see it which is what prompted my post.

-MARK M.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lkreels2000" <lkreels@a...>
wrote:
>
> DELETED on vpFREE and MOVED to FREEvpFREE
>
> Why?? Is there an NPC here?
>
> -MARK M.
>
> I am the author of the deleted vpFree post. I did contact the
> administrator and received a reply. It was his/her opinion that

it

> contained a NPC. I do find that ironic considering the past 6
weeks or
> so of posts from BD.We are smart folks who should have access to
all
> available info then be free to decide for ourselves which

approach

> suits our own goals. It is my opinion, after reading his many
> exchanges, that BD takes great exception to any challenge that he
is
> THE one & only expert. I feel that his posts over there sometimes
> qualify as NPCs in a most flagrant way. See message 2730 if

you're

> interested in what I was attempting to post on vpFree. I

primarily

used
> his own words which I thought revealed an obvious agenda.
> Unfortunately, I used my own words to try and point that out.
> LK
>

No specific mention of the NPC was included in the reply I received.
I considered a follow-up e-mail to ask that exact question, but I
decided I had said enough. I did notice this evening that a group of
responses from this board was moved over to vpFree including my last
posting here on this board. One that I never attempted to post over
there so I was even LESS careful of how I phrased things. I am
pleased & hopeful that the administrator has given some thought to
perhaps using a broader definition of NPC on vpFree because I do
enjoy reading that board. One of them included your original comment
& the body of my original post. See Digest 310, message number 5 if
you're interested.
LK

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <mark.mentone@c...> wrote:

#4

I can tell by the low digest number that you were looking at a
FREEvpFREE digest, not a digest from the main vpFREE board. None
of your posts on FREEvpFREE have been copied over to vpFREE.

vpFae

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lkreels2000" <lkreels@a...> wrote:

...I did notice this evening that a group of responses from
this board was moved over to vpFree including my last
posting here on this board. One that I never attempted to post
over there so I was even LESS careful of how I phrased things...
One of them included your original comment & the body of my
original post. See Digest 310, message number 5 if you're
interested.

#5

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "vpfae6128305" <vpfae6128305@C...>
wrote:

> ...I did notice this evening that a group of responses from
> this board was moved over to vpFree including my last
> posting here on this board. One that I never attempted to post
> over there so I was even LESS careful of how I phrased things...
> One of them included your original comment & the body of my
> original post. See Digest 310, message number 5 if you're
>interested.

I can tell by the low digest number that you were looking at a
FREEvpFREE digest, not a digest from the main vpFREE board. None
of your posts on FREEvpFREE have been copied over to vpFREE.

vpFae

The first posting on vpFree I was referring to was not mine. It was
posted by someone else but contained the body of my original post that
had been deleted & moved over to freeVPfree. I just thought it odd that
the original post (having been deemed as containing a NPC) was
subsequently posted, albeit by another, over there for people to read
when it was apparently objectionable. Secondly, message number 8 in
Digest 310 WAS by me but I never posted it to vpFree - only here on
freeVPfree. I was just surprised to find that someone had moved the
post to vpFree when I never meant for it to be posted there. I've never
taken active part in a thread before so I freely admit there may be
procedural things that I do not understand. The past few days I've been
trying to figure out the rules and how I inadvertantly broke them. In
the end, it seems the wiser choice for me is to return to reading
status and just keep my mouth shut. I consider myself a reasonably
intelligent person who SHOULD have been able to navigate the posting
process, but I obviously have failed in that. I have a dedicated
history of benefitting from the information on vpFree and have no
desire to be disruptive to that process or be lumped in as someone who
causes the administrator or board members any grief. Quite the
opposite. It really is not a problem to keep my observations to myself
from this point forward. My original motivation in posting a comment at
all on that thread was that I obviously felt strongly about months of
reading postings by others that I interpreted to be personal, negative
and generally undocumented without much challenge. I've now learned
first hand why no one bothers to speak up and challenge those posts. I
will leave that to the administrator from now on.

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--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lkreels2000" <lkreels@a...> wrote:

#6

lkreels2000 wrote:

The first posting on vpFree I was referring to was not mine. It was
posted by someone else but contained the body of my original post that
had been deleted & moved over to freeVPfree. I just thought it odd that
the original post (having been deemed as containing a NPC) was
subsequently posted, albeit by another, over there for people to read
when it was apparently objectionable. Secondly, message number 8 in
Digest 310 WAS by me but I never posted it to vpFree - only here on
freeVPfree. I was just surprised to find that someone had moved the post
to vpFree when I never meant for it to be posted there.

Digest 310 is a FREEvpFREE digest that lists posts on
FREEvpFREE, not vpFREE.

Current vpFREE digests are in the # 2700 range.

Your original post has not been reposted on vpFREE,
and none of your posts on FREEvpFREE have been
posted on vpFREE.

vpFae

#7

This is kind of what I meant when I suggested to the admin on the
main forum a "full disclosure" policy. The Admin made a detailed and
very understandable response on that forum, which I don't have any
reaction to to, other than I thank him (her?) for helping me to
understand his position.

In this particular case, however, I think it would help all of us if
it would be pointed out publicly what passage in lk's original post
was "perceived by the Administrator" as an NPC. It's not immediately
obvious, and this info may help us all avoid running afoul of the
regs in the future.

LKREELS -- I agree with your sentiment a few messages down in this
thread. I too am normally a lurker and enjoy reading the boards. I
too am confused by the administering of some of the stuff I read in
past months as compared to some recent stuff, although I now
understand that my confusion is based on incomplete information.

In my case, being a non-Nevada resident and doing all of my play on
the east coast, the administrative stuff and the debates on the
board are more interesting to me than the nevada VP info. That's why
i "un-lurked" about this stuff instead of about actual VP stuff. As
a media relations professional and a baseball umpire, administering,
disclosure/privacy issues and rules enforcement concerns are
interesting to me. However, I, too, am second-guessing my decision
to post.

-MARK M.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lkreels2000" <lkreels@a...>
wrote:

No specific mention of the NPC was included in the reply I

received.

I considered a follow-up e-mail to ask that exact question, but I
decided I had said enough. I did notice this evening that a group

of

responses from this board was moved over to vpFree including my

last

posting here on this board. One that I never attempted to post

over

there so I was even LESS careful of how I phrased things. I am
pleased & hopeful that the administrator has given some thought to
perhaps using a broader definition of NPC on vpFree because I do
enjoy reading that board. One of them included your original

comment

& the body of my original post. See Digest 310, message number 5

if

···

you're interested.
LK
>

#8

I said...

In this particular case, however, I think it would help all of us

if

it would be pointed out publicly what passage in lk's original

post

was "perceived by the Administrator" as an NPC. It's not

immediately

obvious, and this info may help us all avoid running afoul of the
regs in the future.

Oops, just read the explanation that I sought in message 2753 (after
posting message 2760). Thanks for that. I'm not necessarily a fan of
the Admin's "perception," but at least I understand it now. Thanks
for clarifying, and I hope disagreement is not interpreted as a lack
of respect and thanks.

-MARK M.

--- In FREEvpFREE@yahoogroups.com, "lkreels2000" <lkreels@a...>
wrote:
>
> No specific mention of the NPC was included in the reply I
received.
> I considered a follow-up e-mail to ask that exact question, but

I

> decided I had said enough. I did notice this evening that a

group

of
> responses from this board was moved over to vpFree including my
last
> posting here on this board. One that I never attempted to post
over
> there so I was even LESS careful of how I phrased things. I am
> pleased & hopeful that the administrator has given some thought

to

···

> perhaps using a broader definition of NPC on vpFree because I do
> enjoy reading that board. One of them included your original
comment
> & the body of my original post. See Digest 310, message number 5
if
> you're interested.
> LK
> >
>