The 1.41% vig.of the pass line bet is decreased when you add the odds
bet.If you made a $60 pass bet,your total vig.is 1.41%.If you make a $10 plus
$50 odds,the vig. of the total bet is lowered.
pass bet with no odds =1.41% or 98.59% payback
pass bet with single odds = .8% or 99.2% payback
pass bet with double odds = .6% or 99.4% payback
If you take or lay Triple odds or more the vig. will be less than .5% thus
my (rounded & conservative figure of 99.5%.
Marc
In a message dated 6/12/2009 2:41:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tbf1020@yahoo.com writes:
Whats the 99.5% bet on the dice table? you taking other peoples odds or
something?
— In _vpFREE@yahoogroups.vpF_ (mailto:vpF…@…com) ,
marccarfi@…, ma
It's called PANIC and GREED!...PANIC because of lost business in a bad
economy and GREED...to separate you from as much of your money as
possible.When you have games that payout 99%+ and then add comps and
cashback to
that,you can come out ahead.Nowadays casinos don't want anybody walking
away with
their money.That's why every single positive machine that's put in A.C.
is
burned down and taken out.All the Pro's jump on it.So when they're gone
the pro's move to the near positive machines.Now if there are'nt any of
those
either, there's no place for the pro's to play...and lets face it the
casinos don't really want a pro's business...it' casinos don't really
want a pro'
and a waste of space.I'ts all about the bottom line.
I've become extremely discouraged by the VP scene in A.C...."Oh Boy,The
casinos will let me play as much 8/5 Jacks or Better that I want!...Isn,
casino
nice of them"....I've gotten rid of my VPW software and all of it's
useless positive EV game stratagies and statistics.. useless positive EV
gam usele
all a waste of time... in A.C. anyway.I have since switched over to
Craps
exclusively. exclusively.<WBR>I'm acually pretty far ahead in my play and
too.I get free room offers and free food at Buffets and coffee shops all
the
time and I only make the best bets...99.5% or better.I put the time in
and
give them action. In craps,you have so much more control as far as what
bets you make,how much and an endless array of strategies that you can
employ... and there's nothing more exciting than a HOT table.A COLD
table can be
exciting too,if you know how to work it.Why wait for that elusive Royal.
Marc
In a message dated 6/8/2009 6:28:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
misscraps@.. misscrapI just don't understand why so many casinos are taking out 9/6 jacks -
as
though this were a positive game for players - it just isn't. With
player
errors and bankroll considerations, even the best players are going to
lose
probably lose around 1% with this game, and most players are not 100%
accurate at all -- I see many Video Poker players playing who have no
idea
what
to hold, even on the simplest jacks or better games. I also see lots of
people playing less than 5 coins, even on progressive machines, so those
people are also going to lose more than the theoretical amounts.Admittedly, where there is good cashback, and games where excellent
players
can put through a lot of money, such as $5 and up machines, or $1
multi-lines, a few excellent skilled players can make a profit. But
there
just
aren't that many excellent players. And those people are looking for
those
high money making opportunities. They just aren't looking for quarter
games
or nickel 50 plays or whatever.So I just don't believe casinos such as Harrahs, which doesn't offer
much
in the way of comps or cashback, was losing money with the nickel 50
play
9/6 in Laughlin that were recently taken out.
But by having them, they were drawing in players who thought they WOULD
LOSE LESS - this is different from professional video poker players.
These
people brought with them wives and husbands who play REELs, friends,
relatives, and then they told people about Laughlin, which also brought
in
people.
In olden days casinos had low cost buffets (and they still do so today)
as
"loss leaders" - to bring people in. The buffet may have lost money, but
the people stayed and played. Similarly, having some quarter or nickel
9/6
JB or NSU machines are going to BRING people in. The casinos just aren't
going to lose money at these machines, in my opinion. Maybe they don't
make money, but they really shouldn't be losers. So they take up 1 or 2
or
5
machines with these "loss leaders" - so what if they bring in people who
play other games as well.And I know for certain that many people who play 9/6 JB, also
occasionally
play the much worse Double Double Bonus machines or plunk some money
through Megabucks, or play table games, or occasionally play reels. I
know
this
because I do it and I have friends who I have seen do it. My friends and
I
are knowledgable players, we know something about correct strategy, but
we
are not professionals, and we play 9/6 JB or NSU to lose less, but we
sometimes play other things too. And we tell our friends and relatives
about
the casinos we enjoy, and encourage them to visit those casinos, or
sometimes have them come with us, even though they are not Video Poker
players at
all, and are "regular" casual gamblers.When casinos take away all the decent games, even the lowly quarter 9/6
and
NSUs, then people like us stop going to those casinos. We don't
exclusively play those machines when we visit, but we enjoy playing them
sometimes,
so when they are gone, we are gone too, from the casino. Now our
significant other who doesn't even play VP, stops going to your casino
too. We
stop bringing friends with us to your casino. We stop telling friends
(and
even strangers) about how much we liked the casino, and in fact, we
might
tell people not to go to that casino anymore. Instead we go to other
casinos
which do have those 9/6 and NSU machines, and we play there and bring
the
business of our friends and relatives with us. And by the way, without
our
business, the casino no longer has us (and our non-9/6 playing friends
mind
you) paying for food, rooms, shows, gifts, etc too -- the whole casino
suffers.So this is why it makes economic sense for casinos to put in a few
decent
(not 100% machines, but 99% machines like 9/6 JB and NSU deuces). If
they
are smart, they will post signs around, like the Gold Coast does, saying
we
have X amount of 99%+ VP. They can even post signs right on top of the
machines to let the average person know they are there. The result is
great
publicity. And a bunch of people who know absolutely nothing about
correct
strategy will sit at these machines along with the tiny minority of
players
who do know something about correct strategy. Maybe those machines do
earn nothing for the casino - they are "loss leaders" - but if they are
not
really losing anything or very much - the casino shouldn't really care,
because by bringing in customers and their friends and relatives, in the
long
run they are going to make money.With the huge number of casinos out there causing increasing
competition,
and the bad economy, why alienate gamblers and lose gamblers because of
lowly 9/6 JB? It doesn't pay out 100%, casino people!! Maybe some of
them
have gotten a wrong idea about 9/6 because they hear it is a FP (Full
Pay)
machine. That just means it pays out the most for any of that type of
machine (in this case Jacks or Better). But FP does not mean it is a
positive
game for the players. It just isn't in the case of 9/6 or NSU.I can see why a casino would want to remove $5 and up machines, but not
crummy nickel, dime, quarter 9/6 (and probably not $1 either). It just
doesn't make sense! Another suggestion to casinos who are "worried"
about
these
machines. Don't put a whole bunch together - instead alternate them, and
also make them multigame machines, and you will find people playing
Keno,
DDB, Triple Double Bonus, and other games too, and no one will be able
to
sit
and play 2 at one time either. The professionals will stay away from
these low denominations, but you will bring in customers who think that
the
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